CMP 1911

[Brother_Hesekiel]

My FFL just today received my CMP Service Grade 1911. I had a quick look at it when doing the paperwork, but now it's in jail for the next 10 days. What confuses me is the serial number *1732361* combined with the make Remington Rand Inc. According to the reference lists I checked, the number corresponds with a 1944 Colt, not a Remington. What do I make of that?

[major burnout]

Delete this^^^^ I'm sure they got the manufacturer's name right on the paperwork.

[Donkeypunch0420]

Sounds like a RR slide and Colt frame. I'm certainly no expert though. Try the guys in the C&R forum if you get no good answers here.

[SkyHawk]

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post some when you can. Sounds like the FFL just read the slide and used that for the make. There should have been a hang tag that said the make of slide and the make of frame.

You could ask them to submit a DROS correction after you verify, but I don't think it matters much. If a LEO ever runs the gun, they are going to do exactly the same thing - read the slide because the frame has no manufacturer name.

There are probably hundreds of 'Colt 1911' listed in AFS that are really Essex or other frames.

[Ora Serrata]

Yes, It's most likely a Colt receiver and a Remington Rand slide.

My CMP 1911a1 is a 1945 Remington Rand receiver with a Colt Slide. I ran the serial number before I DROS'd it and let my FFL know it was a Remington Rand receiver and that's what he DROS'd it as.

[beerman]

From all the 1911s I've seen coming out of the CPM, it seems the majority have mixed maker frames& slides...pretty typical of arsenal rebuilds as they didn't care what parts they pulled out of the refinished parts bins. Still a GI 1911A1 though.

[smle-man]

From all the 1911s I've seen coming out of the CPM, it seems the majority have mixed maker frames& slides...pretty typical of arsenal rebuilds as they didn't care what parts they pulled out of the refinished parts bins. Still a GI 1911A1 though.

Every GI 1911A1 I saw when I was in the Army was a mix of different maker's parts.

[Quiet]

From all the 1911s I've seen coming out of the CPM, it seems the majority have mixed maker frames& slides...pretty typical of arsenal rebuilds as they didn't care what parts they pulled out of the refinished parts bins. Still a GI 1911A1 though.

Every GI 1911A1 I saw when I was in the Army was a mix of different maker's parts.

What they said.

The CMP 1911s have mixed parts from different manufacturers, this was done when they were refurbished/rebuilt.


CMP firearms rated as rack, field, service, and special grades all have mixed manufacturers parts.
CMP firearms rated as correct and collector grades are the only grades that tends to have mostly (95%+) the same manufacturer's parts.

[elk hunter]

Every GI 1911A1 I saw when I was in the Army was a mix of different maker's parts.

When I was in the Army I saw and handled hundreds upon hundreds of .45's and unless the were new unissued or just issued new they were pretty much all franken45's. No one care a bit about is it all correct or original or repairing with the makers parts all we cared about is was it a good working piece. A part is a part is a part if it's a good part.

[Robert1234]

My Ithaca seems pretty complete. Frame, slide, barrel (HS stamped) and MSH all are what the interwebz says they should be.

Beyond that, it's going to take someone more informed than me to determine.

[Brother_Hesekiel]

I understand all of that. But what is being DROS'd is the receiver, the "frame," and if that frame is a Colt instead of a Remington, no matter what slide is on there, shouldn't I try to get this corrected?

Rephrased . . . if it was your gun, wouldn't you mind having a Remington with a serial number that belongs to a Colt?

[John Browning]

I would leave it as is. Your are going to have more problems with it registered as a Colt and saying Remington Rand.

[elk hunter]

What ever it is stamped on the frame is what it is, it is possible there is a duplicate serial number on a Remington but I highly doubt it.

[bigmike82]

"My CMP 1911a1 is a 1945 Remington Rand receiver with a Colt Slide. I ran the serial number before I DROS'd it and let my FFL know it was a Remington Rand receiver and that's what he DROS'd it as."

I smell a trade coming up...