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  • SW1917
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2016
    • 791

    Streak "tracers" legal?

    Since thet don't ignite or burn are they still banned - I know the ones of this type(glow phosphate) for shotguns were legal.
  • #2
    musick
    CGSSA Associate
    • Sep 2012
    • 1062



    Did you even look at the link you provided?

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    • #3
      ryno066
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2007
      • 1275

      I saw them in AZ. Looked into it and couldn't find anything saying they are illegal.

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      • #4
        pepsi2451
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2006
        • 1633

        16460.
        (a) As used in Sections 16510, 16520, and 16780, and in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 18710) of Division 5 of Title 2, “destructive device” includes any of the following weapons:

        (1) Any projectile containing any explosive or incendiary material or any other chemical substance, including, but not limited to, that which is commonly known as tracer or incendiary ammunition, except tracer ammunition manufactured for use in shotguns.
        Unfortunately it looks like any projectile containing a "chemical substance" and not manufactured for a shotgun is a "destructive device" in California.

        Not sure what "chemical substance" means. Seems to me lead alloy would be a "chemical substance." Just another terribly written CA law I guess.
        Last edited by pepsi2451; 07-10-2019, 12:35 PM.

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        • #5
          SW1917
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2016
          • 791

          Originally posted by musick


          Did you even look at the link you provided?
          Pray tell - what did I miss?

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          • #6
            tenemae
            code Monkey
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Jun 2010
            • 1680

            Originally posted by pepsi2451
            Not sure what "chemical substance" means. Seems to me lead alloy would be a "chemical substance." Just another terribly written CA law I guess.

            Two or more elements combined into one substance through a chemical reaction form a chemical compound.
            So if you allow your bullets to oxadize (a chemical reaction), resulting in a composition of copper oxide (a chemical substance), it satisfies the legal definition of a destructive device in CA.

            possession of a DD in Ca is a felony (18710), the main defense to a DD possession charge is being unaware of the item being a DD.

            Free Consultation - Former LA Prosecutor and Los Angeles Criminal Defense Attorney Michael Kraut provides expert advice on California Penal Code Section 12303 PC: Possessing Destructive Devices

            4. Defenses to Possessing Destructive Devices

            As discussed above if the defendant did not knowingly possess the destructive device, or did not know that it was destructive, he or she would have a strong defense against any criminal prosecution. Additionally, if the prohibited item is an antique, like a historic cannon or rifle, possessing it would not be a crime.
            So now that you know the laws and definitions.... letting your bullets oxidize is a felony. Good luck.

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            • #7
              musick
              CGSSA Associate
              • Sep 2012
              • 1062

              Originally posted by SW1917
              Pray tell - what did I miss?
              First thing I clicked on at the top of the page - store locator. First retailer clicked - in stock in SD, CA.

              I just dont understand when information is available on a vendors website why so many people choose to ask social media instead.

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              • #8
                Skip_Dog
                Veteran Member
                • Apr 2017
                • 2656

                Available at sportsman warehouse for $12.99/20 rounds of 9mm.

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                • #9
                  tenemae
                  code Monkey
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 1680

                  Originally posted by musick
                  First thing I clicked on at the top of the page - store locator. First retailer clicked - in stock in SD, CA.

                  I just dont understand when information is available on a vendors website why so many people choose to ask social media instead.
                  You know ammo inc sells more than just streak ammo, right? Like- they sell regular loads. They're just listing their retailers.

                  You're basically arguing that since sig makes the p365 and turners sells sigs in CA, you must be able to buy a sig p356, brand new, at turners in CA.

                  You chastised someone else for being stupid when the stupid was actually on your side of the screen. Well done.

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                  • #10
                    musick
                    CGSSA Associate
                    • Sep 2012
                    • 1062

                    Originally posted by tenemae
                    You know ammo inc sells more than just streak ammo, right? Like- they sell regular loads. They're just listing their retailers.

                    You're basically arguing that since sig makes the p365 and turners sells sigs in CA, you must be able to buy a sig p356, brand new, at turners in CA.

                    You chastised someone else for being stupid when the stupid was actually on your side of the screen. Well done.
                    And bravo to you sir for assuming.

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                    • #11
                      tenemae
                      code Monkey
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 1680

                      Originally posted by musick
                      Cool. Swing by and get some. BTW- they have suppressors on shelves today too. Be a dear and pick one of those up as well, would ya?

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                      • #12
                        Scratch705
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • May 2009
                        • 12537

                        is this the ammo with the glow in dark paint that requires UV light to activate?
                        Originally posted by leelaw
                        Because -ohmigosh- they can add their opinions, too?
                        Originally posted by SoCalSig1911
                        Preppers canceled my order this afternoon because I called them a disgrace... Not ordering from those clowns again.
                        Originally posted by PrepperGunShop
                        Truthfully, we cancelled your order because of your lack of civility and your threats ... What is a problem is when you threaten my customer service team and make demands instead of being civil. Plain and simple just don't be an a**hole (where you told us to shove it).

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                        • #13
                          pacrat
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • May 2014
                          • 10285

                          Originally posted by tenemae
                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_substance

                          So if you allow your bullets to oxadize (a chemical reaction), resulting in a composition of copper oxide (a chemical substance), it satisfies the legal definition of a destructive device in CA.

                          possession of a DD in Ca is a felony (18710), the main defense to a DD possession charge is being unaware of the item being a DD.

                          Free Consultation - Former LA Prosecutor and Los Angeles Criminal Defense Attorney Michael Kraut provides expert advice on California Penal Code Section 12303 PC: Possessing Destructive Devices



                          So now that you know the laws and definitions.... letting your bullets oxidize is a felony. Good luck.

                          Furthermore

                          The DD law as written by the inept morons in Excremento, includes each and every firearm projectile in the state. UNLESS, it is made of PURE LEAD< COPPER< etc, etc, etc.

                          When two or more metallic elements are combined to form a "chemical substance" it is called an alloy.

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                          • #14
                            SW1917
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2016
                            • 791

                            Originally posted by Scratch705
                            is this the ammo with the glow in dark paint that requires UV light to activate?
                            Sort of - gets activated by burning powder flash

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                            • #15
                              sigstroker
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 19859

                              Originally posted by pacrat
                              Furthermore

                              The DD law as written by the inept morons in Excremento, includes each and every firearm projectile in the state. UNLESS, it is made of PURE LEAD< COPPER< etc, etc, etc.

                              When two or more metallic elements are combined to form a "chemical substance" it is called an alloy.
                              Two oxygen atoms are a chemical substance. Basically, everything on earth is a chemical substance.

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