Notice of Forfeiture

[floogy]

Yes, I am proposing the firearms be disassembled before returning them to me. The majority were assembled. I'm not even trying to get back the home built rifles, the 1/2 dozen uppers and 80% lowers they took.


During my conversation with the agent about the whole CA issue. He asked if I were willing to come to his office and make them CA legal. Of course I jumped on the suggestion and said I only needed 5 sec per rifle to make CA compliant. I also offered to show him how to pull the take down pins, if he wanted to address them himself.

I am hoping he wasn't just yanking my chain....

That's actually pretty cool they'd even offer the chance to make them compliant. Doesn't make everything better, but it's a start.

One suggestion. If you're not able to work things out, see if they can be shipped to an out of state FFL for the compliance work and/or sale. Audiophil here on Calguns is one such FFL that offers those types of services.

[SVT-40]

Sometimes I read these threads and my spidey sense tells me there is a lot more to the story being left out by an OP who wants sympathy but is probably a dirtbag. But who knows.

There is more, but it has nothing to do with the OP. Not to get into details, but the OP isn't a DB, and isn't seeking attention.

The reason for the seizures were legal, and the OP was caught up in someone else's issues.

So just let those notions go.

What he is posting is informational.

[Packy14]

There is more, but it has nothing to do with the OP. Not to get into details, but the OP isn't a DB, and isn't seeking attention.

The reason for the seizures were legal, and the OP was caught up in someone else's issues.

So just let those notions go.

What he is posting is informational.

Cool you know more details by far. I hope it works out for the OP.

[Mr Wizard]

Update- for those that are interested.

I hadn't heard from the DHS agent since my last post here in August, so I reached out to him yesterday.

He said he had not heard from the USAG officially, but it doesn't look good for me. He sad they have a "note" in their file from one of the agents that I admitted to being a pot smoker, therefore I am a restricted person now.

I'm like WTF! I reminded him that I declined to be interviewed that day without legal counsel present. My wife and I were detained for 8 hrs without food or water. I eventually became ill because my blood sugars dropped, so one them escorted us to the restroom and to get some snacks from the pantry.

To be fair, they did say we could leave, but could not return until they were finished. Like I'm going to leave 30+ strangers alone in my home. They had already disconnected all twelves of my cameras, so there would be no record of what was going on.

You know, throughout all this I still raised my flag daily, because I believed in our justice system. I still believed, even when my family member was convicted and sent to prison. But I think it will come down when this is over and NEVER be raised again.

Mr. Wizard

[golfish]

To make a long story short, my small firearm collection, ammunition, reloading supplies, etc. were seized by the Feds during a warrant search of my property in 2017.

I couldn't find your explanation of the warrant from 2017. Did you ever explain that ?

I wish you good luck ..

[Dano3467]

OP..Your rosy picture paints a scene, & that you were not the target, but your (not somebody else's) property was seized on no grounds (unlawfully stolen).

If you are in the right, & they are in the wrong, why not sue for damages & restitution, also anguish & stress from health complications.

Don't know for sure you can do this, but why not see if you can go big or go home ? If a Democrat can do it, so can you.. right ?

[sigstroker]

Update- for those that are interested.

I hadn't heard from the DHS agent since my last post here in August, so I reached out to him yesterday.

He said he had not heard from the USAG officially, but it doesn't look good for me. He sad they have a "note" in their file from one of the agents that I admitted to being a pot smoker, therefore I am a restricted person now.

I'm like WTF! I reminded him that I declined to be interviewed that day without legal counsel present. My wife and I were detained for 8 hrs without food or water. I eventually became ill because my blood sugars dropped, so one them escorted us to the restroom and to get some snacks from the pantry.

To be fair, they did say we could leave, but could not return until they were finished. Like I'm going to leave 30+ strangers alone in my home. They had already disconnected all twelves of my cameras, so there would be no record of what was going on.

You know, throughout all this I still raised my flag daily, because I believed in our justice system. I still believed, even when my family member was convicted and sent to prison. But I think it will come down when this is over and NEVER be raised again.

Mr. Wizard

If you've been keeping up with the news and seen what the Feds did to POTUS, not to mention Carter Page, then you'll know the USDOJ has no shortage of dirtbags.

[Mr Wizard]

Thank you all for the words of encouragement. It's been a roller coaster of emotions for the past 2-1/2 years for my family. Not just about my property, but everything that has happened.

I just received a call from the (DHS) special agent yesterday. He informed me that my petition has been approved. He said he will contact me when the holding facility in Long Beach has my property ready for transfer. He plans to transfer them directly to me.

Now, I would be lying if I said i wasn't a little excited about getting some of my property back, but I am a bit apprehensive about meeting with this agent again. My first experience with him wasn't very pleasant. My spidey senses tell me he's setting me up somehow, even though I have done nothing illegal. Maybe it's just mild PTSD.

Fingers crossed.

[pacrat]

Wish you the best of luck.

From one of your prior posts.

To be fair, they did say we could leave, but could not return until they were finished. Like I'm going to leave 30+ strangers alone in my home. They had already disconnected all twelves of my cameras, so there would be no record of what was going on.

I find their behavior especially egregious. Have you consulted with a "Civil Rights" attorney to even question the legality of their actions during this episode?

Disconnecting cameras so they can "SEARCH IN SECRET" without the prying eyes of citizens, supervisors, future judges, and juries alike. Sets the stage for abuses. So much for LE building trust of citizens.

Disconnecting cameras 'SCREAMS, YOU CAN'T TRUST US".

If a search is lawful? Why the need for HIDING from prying eyes to conduct it?

[Scratch705]

Good luck op. I would be screwed if I had to dig up old receipts for parts.

same here... i try to keep my dros for my firearms together in one place but for things like ammo and accessories, those receipts i shred after i pay my credit card bill for the month they were bought in.

be impossible to prove those are mine if i needed to provide receipts.

[pacrat]

same here... i try to keep my dros for my firearms together in one place but for things like ammo and accessories, those receipts i shred after i pay my credit card bill for the month they were bought in.

be impossible to prove those are mine if i needed to provide receipts.

If private property of any kind is seized or confiscated by LE. They BY LAW are required to give you a receipt fully describing the property seized.

That receipt is proof of ownership, Unless they can PROVE otherwise.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=637.&lawCode=EVID

ARTICLE 3. Presumptions Affecting the Burden of Producing Evidence [630 - 647] ( Article 3 enacted by Stats. 1965, Ch. 299. )

637.
The things which a person possesses are presumed to be owned by him.

No need to produce an OLD receipt, cops give you a new one.

[edgerly779]

Good luck.

[tenemae]

Now, I would be lying if I said i wasn't a little excited about getting some of my property back, but I am a bit apprehensive

I'd be apprehensive too. I hope your property is in like condition as to when they stole it.

[LuckyGuy]

What?

same here... i try to keep my dros for my firearms together in one place but for things like ammo and accessories, those receipts i shred after i pay my credit card bill for the month they were bought in.

be impossible to prove those are mine if i needed to provide receipts.

I WAS WONDERING, oops Caps. Are the cops supposed to give you a list of what they take. If they did, you have proof that that stuff was yours. Removed from your property.

[TheGood]

Thank you all for the words of encouragement. It's been a roller coaster of emotions for the past 2-1/2 years for my family. Not just about my property, but everything that has happened.

I just received a call from the (DHS) special agent yesterday. He informed me that my petition has been approved. He said he will contact me when the holding facility in Long Beach has my property ready for transfer. He plans to transfer them directly to me.

Now, I would be lying if I said i wasn't a little excited about getting some of my property back, but I am a bit apprehensive about meeting with this agent again. My first experience with him wasn't very pleasant. My spidey senses tell me he's setting me up somehow, even though I have done nothing illegal. Maybe it's just mild PTSD.

Fingers crossed.

Something tells me that the minute you pick up one of those weapons (even to disassemble), you'll be arrested for illegal possession of an AW. Maybe you could talk to a local 03 FFL and have the firearms transferred to his shop or picked up by him. Then he could break down the ARs and return them to you.