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  • 74man
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2005
    • 99

    Inter-family transfer Question??????

    Question: I have two sons and two home built AR rifles, both featureless and engraved with serial numbers, where manufactured, caliber-multi and who manufactured them but are not registered as assualt weapons. One son is an LEO the other is not. I want to give each son an AR on an inter-family transfer, I know that my LEO son doesn't need a FSC for the transfer, does the other son need a FSC to accept the AR? Both are featureless rifles and both rifles have a CMMG .22LR conversion. These are 80%rs that I built.

    I want to do an inter family transfer. Here is my Question

    1) LEO doesn't need an FSC or does he?

    2) Does my other son need an FSC for an inter-family transfer? He is not restricted from owning firearms.

    Thank you to all who answer these two stupid questions. Just don't know about these inter-family transfers.
    Thanks, 74man.
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    A MAN WITHOUT A GUN IS A SUBJECT.
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  • #2
    Flintlock Tom
    Veteran Member
    • Feb 2007
    • 3353

    Yes, LEO is exempt from needing the FSC.
    Your second son does need an FSC.
    "Everyone must determine for themselves what level of tyranny they are willing to tolerate.
    I let my CA residency expire in 2015."

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    • #3
      ajb78
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Apr 2017
      • 1441

      I don't believe self-manufactured firearms are transferable in CA any longer.

      Originally posted by PC 29180
      (d) (1) The sale or transfer of ownership of a firearm manufactured or assembled pursuant to this section is prohibited.

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      • #4
        SkyHawk
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Sep 2012
        • 23523

        ^^ yep, not legal to transfer. Buy them some 100% lowers and call it a day.



        4. Selling self-made firearms is illegal:
        With limited exceptions, the sale or transfer of ownership of self-manufactured or self-assembled firearms is prohibited under California law.
        Last edited by SkyHawk; 06-02-2019, 11:31 PM.
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        • #5
          readysetgo
          CGSSA Coordinator
          • Aug 2011
          • 8691

          Intra-familial. Not inter.
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          • #6
            Erion929
            Veteran Member
            • Jan 2013
            • 4706

            Originally posted by 74man
            Question: I have two sons and two home built AR rifles, both featureless and engraved with serial numbers, where manufactured, caliber-multi and who manufactured them but are not registered as assualt weapons. One son is an LEO the other is not. I want to give each son an AR on an inter-family transfer, I know that my LEO son doesn't need a FSC for the transfer, does the other son need a FSC to accept the AR? Both are featureless rifles and both rifles have a CMMG .22LR conversion. These are 80%rs that I built.

            I want to do an inter family transfer. Here is my Question

            1) LEO doesn't need an FSC or does he?

            2) Does my other son need an FSC for an inter-family transfer? He is not restricted from owning firearms.

            Thank you to all who answer these two stupid questions. Just don't know about these inter-family transfers.
            Thanks, 74man.
            intrafamilial transfer, i.e., within the family.

            Interfamilial would be between two families.

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            • #7
              Quiet
              retired Goon
              • Mar 2007
              • 30242

              Originally posted by 74man
              Question: I have two sons and two home built AR rifles, both featureless and engraved with serial numbers, where manufactured, caliber-multi and who manufactured them but are not registered as assualt weapons...These are 80%rs that I built...
              Starting 01-01-2019, it is illegal to transfer the ownership of a self-made firearm in CA.
              ^The only exemption to this is to transfer them to law enforcement for destruction.

              In order to legally be able to transfer them, the sons will need to move to another State and become residents of that State. Afterwards, the firearms can be transferred to them through a FFL dealer in that State.
              Last edited by Quiet; 06-03-2019, 12:13 AM.
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              • #8
                champu
                CGN Contributor
                • Nov 2013
                • 1981

                As others noted, illegal... unless you submitted a volreg with your own serial number prior to the state-issued serial number requirement going into effect:

                29181. Section 29180 does not apply to or affect any of the following:
                ...
                (c) A firearm which was entered into the centralized registry set forth in Section 11106 prior to July 1, 2018, as being owned by a specific individual or entity if that firearm has assigned to it a distinguishing number or mark of identification because the department accepted entry of that firearm into the centralized registry.

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                • #9
                  wilderness medic
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2018
                  • 845

                  Originally posted by champu
                  As others noted, illegal... unless you submitted a volreg with your own serial number prior to the state-issued serial number requirement going into effect:

                  Ok, so I am exempt selling my 80% pistol lower since I submitted and was approved prior to the deadline.


                  Going to save these PCs to show the FFL.

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                  • #10
                    Jeepergeo
                    Veteran Member
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 3506

                    Non-LEO son is not a special person, just a taxpayer peon.
                    Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association
                    Life Member, California Rifle and Pistol Association

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                    • #11
                      igs
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2017
                      • 941

                      Originally posted by ajb78
                      I don't believe self-manufactured firearms are transferable in CA any longer.
                      https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...er=3.&article=
                      self-assembled not self-manufactured. The distinction is important.
                      ATF Form 4473: If a frame or receiver can only be made into a long gun (rifle or shotgun), it is still a frame or receiver, not a handgun or long gun.

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                      • #12
                        ajb78
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Apr 2017
                        • 1441

                        Originally posted by igs
                        self-assembled not self-manufactured. The distinction is important.
                        Per the penal code there is no distinction.


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                        • #13
                          igs
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2017
                          • 941

                          Originally posted by ajb78
                          Per the penal code there is no distinction.

                          https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...er=3.&article=
                          For purposes of this chapter

                          Selling firearms is outside that chapter.
                          ATF Form 4473: If a frame or receiver can only be made into a long gun (rifle or shotgun), it is still a frame or receiver, not a handgun or long gun.

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                          • #14
                            champu
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Nov 2013
                            • 1981

                            29181. Section 29180 does not apply to or affect any of the following:
                            (a) A firearm that has a serial number assigned to it pursuant to either Section 23910 or Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Part 1 of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
                            So if an 07 FFL serialized the receiver then you can ignore PC 29180.

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