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  • #16
    ar15barrels
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2006
    • 56908

    Originally posted by aeropro90
    He passed a 4473 not 30 days ago
    4473 is kept at the dealer and is not something you "pass" because NOTHING is done with it unless it is specifically requested of the dealer by the FEDS or the dealer closes his business and turns the 4473's in to the feds.
    Most 4473's just live their happy life in a file box at the dealer that filled them out.
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    • #17
      aeropro90
      Member
      • Oct 2016
      • 197

      Originally posted by ar15barrels
      4473 is kept at the dealer and is not something you "pass" because NOTHING is done with it unless it is specifically requested of the dealer by the FEDS or the dealer closes his business and turns the 4473's in to the feds.
      Okay what ever the background check is then

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      • #18
        ar15barrels
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jan 2006
        • 56908

        Originally posted by aeropro90
        Okay what ever the background check is then
        That's the state background check that's run in the background of the CA DROS system.

        If these prohibitive charges occurred more than a couple months ago AND CA has a "rap back" system in place as Skyhawk was talking about, yet your friend cleared a background check a month ago, then your friend is highly likely to pass his most recent background check as well.
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        • #19
          SkyHawk
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Sep 2012
          • 23444

          Originally posted by aeropro90
          Okay what ever the background check is then
          You’re not understanding. Plenty of people ‘pass’ a background check and then catch a felony perjury charge later for having incorrectly filled out the 4473 that led them to getting the firearm.

          It does not matter if he passes, if he filled out a 4473 and lied about being under indictment, he just committed another felony that could be uncovered later under any number of imaginable scenarios. It doesn’t matter that he gets the gun, if he lied or perjured himself to get it - that is a federal felony.
          Last edited by SkyHawk; 05-22-2019, 9:08 PM.
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          • #20
            ar15barrels
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2006
            • 56908

            The dude's head is going to explode when he figures out he might have 3 strikes all without even knowing it...
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            • #21
              broadside
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2016
              • 1498

              If the charges came after the 4473 and DROS then he shouldn't get in trouble for that. Picking it up though might be a bad idea though...

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              • #22
                SkyHawk
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Sep 2012
                • 23444

                Originally posted by broadside
                If the charges came after the 4473 and DROS then he shouldn't get in trouble for that. Picking it up though might be a bad idea though...
                Every single person who has ever been convicted of it were charged afterwards, usually long afterwards, that is sort of the way it works.
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                • #23
                  broadside
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2016
                  • 1498

                  Originally posted by SkyHawk
                  Every single person who has ever been convicted of it were charged afterwards, usually long afterwards, that is sort of the way it works.
                  What I am saying is that how can he be charged for lying on the form if at the time he filled it out he was not under indictment or charges. The actual timeline of the OP's friend's situation has not been discussed.

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                  • #24
                    Milsurp1
                    Veteran Member
                    • Aug 2016
                    • 3091

                    There are many foundational gaps here. Did your friend get charged with a crime? If so, which one? Did your friend get indicted for a crime? If so which one? Does your friend have any criminal convictions?

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                    • #25
                      Spyder
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 16759

                      Originally posted by ar15barrels
                      The dude's head is going to explode when he figures out he might have 3 strikes all without even knowing it...
                      Ha!

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                      • #26
                        Quiet
                        retired Goon
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 30241

                        Originally posted by aeropro90
                        possible COE revocation
                        is it possible for a coe to be immedietly revoked if any criminal charges are pressed upon someone? my buddy thinks his COE will be revoked because hes parinoid as all hell
                        California Code of Regulations Title 11 Divison 5 Chapter 3 Article 3 Section 4041
                        Revocation, Reasons, and Process.
                        (a) A certificate may be revoked anytime during the permit year when it is determined the certificate holder becomes prohibited from acquiring or possessing firearms, as specified in Penal Code sections 18205, 29800, 29805, 29815 through 29825, or 29900, or Welfare and Institutions Code section 8100 or 8103, or Title 18, sections 921 and 922 of the United States Code, or Title 27, Part 478.32 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
                        (b) The Department shall electronically provide the certificate holder with a Notice of Revocation through CFARS which shall specify all causes on which the revocation is based.
                        Last edited by Quiet; 05-22-2019, 11:25 PM.
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                        • #27
                          Cokebottle
                          Señor Member
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 32373

                          Originally posted by Milsurp1
                          There are many foundational gaps here. Did your friend get charged with a crime? If so, which one? Did your friend get indicted for a crime? If so which one? Does your friend have any criminal convictions?
                          This.
                          Sounds like there's more to the story that "the friend" is not sharing.
                          You aren't going to get denied over a credit card issue. It MIGHT be a problem for CCW in some counties, but only during initial application.
                          Smells fishy... like there's a possible DV issue (whether he actually did anything or she's just claiming it, which is WAY common).
                          - Rich

                          Originally posted by dantodd
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                          • #28
                            boopiejones
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2014
                            • 2044

                            Originally posted by aeropro90
                            Hes going through some stuff with his ex girlfriend over a credit card charge. Hes afraid of loosing his 2a over it
                            my Benitez goes to 11

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                            • #29
                              aeropro90
                              Member
                              • Oct 2016
                              • 197

                              She accused him late March of taking over 3k out of her credit card. Total unequivocal B.S but he is still worried. I told him drop it and pick your AR up

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                              • #30
                                aeropro90
                                Member
                                • Oct 2016
                                • 197

                                Sadly he is one of them guys that every time he does a dros he worries he wont pass the check. Yet has never failed one yet

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