Intruder in house... dispatch says put the gun down?

[tcrpe]

At the time of his death, Jones had a blood-alcohol level that was more than four times the legal limit for operating a motor vehicle. Sprinkle said.

Five persons were in the home at the time: Hoover, his wife, their two sons, and Mrs. Hoover's mother.

"The detailed investigation, including examination of the 911-tapes related to this occurrence, validates the conclusion that Mr. Hoover acted within his legal rights and responsibilities," Sheriff Sprinkle said.

Branscom said, "We have reviewed the evidence, including the 911-tape, and concluded that Mr. Hoover acted properly under the circumstances. This is a justifiable homicide. Therefore, no charge will be filed."

http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=10180076

Viet Nam? 1969?

Jerry Lee Jones, Jr., was 35 years old.

You do the math, he'll do the meth.

When seconds count the cops are only minutes away, nine minutes in this case.

Starting at 11:00 the homeowner makes a big mistake, the 911 operator asks what happened, and instead of replying, "you just heard what happened," he replays the events.

[HowardW56]

I agree with tlillard23, they should have been barricaded in the bedroom with shotgun in hand taking cover. If the guy gets trough the front door and the bedroom door with warnings of being armed for defense then a jury would have a hard time convicting the home owner of excessive force. Although I wouldn't have a problem with the homeowner shooting the bad guy to protect his family there is always the aftermath to think about as well. One more thing to think about in a self protection scenario, even though the 911 dispatch is already on top of it would sound good in court if you asked that they send an ambulance for the guy you just stopped. Could help in civil court if the guys family decides to sue you.

I agree with this from a tactical standpoint; I would take up a defensible position with a view of as much as possible... I am not about to attempt room clearing alone, as long as my family is safe behind me, I can wait...

I know we aren't obligated to retreat, and I don't see this as retreat, just a tactical advantage!

[dwa]

what?? So the BG got shot on the back porch through a window or door? even if the BG bussted down the back door, how was the shooters life threatened? the shooter needs to go to jail or rehab. Shooter should have gathered up the fam and shut themselves in the bedroom or something. he did not need to shoot this BG (although the BG may have needed to be shot).

you forgot a smiley.

[tuna quesadilla]

what?? So the BG got shot on the back porch through a window or door? even if the BG bussted down the back door, how was the shooters life threatened? the shooter needs to go to jail or rehab. Shooter should have gathered up the fam and shut themselves in the bedroom or something. he did not need to shoot this BG (although the BG may have needed to be shot).

WOW.

W-O-W.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.

[kermit315]

what?? So the BG got shot on the back porch through a window or door? even if the BG bussted down the back door, how was the shooters life threatened? the shooter needs to go to jail or rehab. Shooter should have gathered up the fam and shut themselves in the bedroom or something. he did not need to shoot this BG (although the BG may have needed to be shot).

I dont know how I missed this gem earlier, but are you serious. I surely hope some others here are right and you forgot a smiley.

If not, you have some serious personal responsibility issues. If somebody is trying to get in your house, trying to throw a chair through a sliding glass door, that would seem more than enough evidence to me that he wasnt there to sell girl scout cookies, especially after he was told that they had a gun.

Bottom line, darwinism at its finest, and it was a good shoot.

[tcrpe]

the shooter needs to go to jail or rehab.

The shooter should be thanked for taking out the trash.

[Deal]

I hear what the OP is saying and I can honestly say that when I gave my adult daughter her hand gun for her birthday I gave her some advice I am sure she will remember if the day ever comes where she has to use it in self defense or defense of my grandchildren.

My thoughts are, if you have to raise the gun and point it in your home at a bad guy, shoot him, don't threaten and don't wait. Shoot and be sure to aim at center body mass and keep shooting even as he falls. Shoot until your gun is empty in him. If she was scared enough to have to draw the gun and scared enough to point in a threatening manner and scared enough to shoot, it is an understandable defense that she was scared enough to just keep plulling the trigger until empty trying to stop the BG from harming her or the kids. Of course she then needs to reload, and after ensuring the BG is no longer a threat, call 911.

The end game: He won't come back after her after the courts let him go. He wont come back after he leave jail. He wontbe able to tell his friends to go after her. He won't harm her with ALL the lead poison she can deliever.

I agree with the OP: You don't lay down your weapon until you know the primary threat has been eliminated. One or two rounds fired, heard over the phone was not enough for the operator to know that for a fact.

[Maddog5150]

I havent read all the posts so sorry if I repeat what others say. Dispatchers are pretty dumb sometimes. I hear it from my local PD all the time. Give you an example, about four years ago. A man threatens to come in with an AK and shoot up the place after he just started going insane because hey, every one thinks you can treat retail people like crap. We call the police to file a report and dispatch says that as soon as able to, they will send an officer to receive a report. Mind you we dont know if and when he is coming back but we have the plate number.... six hours and three more phone calls later. I was talking to the officer and he started cursing about how dumb dispatch is. They get wackey phonecalls all the time like a wacky woman called 911 because of a mouse in her attic. Dispatch calls in burgler in the attack
Chances are the dispatcher didnt know what to do or was trained on that situation and made ignorant assumptions that could of gotten good people hurt.
Me? I would of doused him in alcahol based oc spray then laugh as the taser ignited him

[KylaGWolf]

what?? So the BG got shot on the back porch through a window or door? even if the BG bussted down the back door, how was the shooters life threatened? the shooter needs to go to jail or rehab. Shooter should have gathered up the fam and shut themselves in the bedroom or something. he did not need to shoot this BG (although the BG may have needed to be shot).

You have got to be kidding. The shooter did the right thing. The guy broke in to their house and was not mentally stable they had every right to act in self defense.

[Theseus]

I think that we should simply all unlock our doors and let anyone have anything they want of our property, that way they have no need to be violent.

[KylaGWolf]

I am talking about the aftermath, just because its legal does not mean you wont end up in front of a Jury. I am speaking of this from training I received at Front Sight. I am not saying the homeowner is in the worng, just what I would do to protect my family while trying to say out of jail or financial ruin.

Now see this is what is wrong with the legal system. Someone commits a crime and gets killed and family sues because you did it. Quite frankly if you do a crime then you and your family should lose the right to sue for damages.

[KylaGWolf]

thanks sigshooter. I didn't know that the home had a different set of rules. Just entering in a violent manner is enough to get you shot.

sorry to steal the thread. this troll has a question (thanks sunwolf )

what is "unlawfully and forcibly enters"? I understand forcibly but what is unlawfully (in regards to entering a home).

and what about non-forcible/violent entry? like coming in through the screen door?

Here is the thing a forcible entry doesn't have to be violent. Them taking the screen off a window or opening a locked screen door which pops the lock can be considered forcible. Unlawful is even easier to define it is the entry that is not granted by the person that resides in the house. Someone comes in to your home uninvited it can be considered an illegal entry. You cannot change the facts in this case that the guy unlawfully and forcibly came in to the house.

All the homeowner had to have was reasonable fear of physical danger which by all accounts there was a reasonable fear so the shoot was jusified.

As to what Front Sight teaches I will have to make sure to take good notes in September and ask point blank what they advocate.

[eccvets]

if it were me, I'd unload all 8 shots from an semiauto shotty into him (5 in the chest and 3 in the head) and reload just incase he had bodyarmor on!

[Dark&Good]

It's one's personal choice whether one retreats into the back room of his home or not. We can debate which method is more sensible or safe if we know the situation in detail. As for putting down the gun, I wouldn't, while threat exists and the police is not there.

[Dark&Good]

the shooter needs to go to jail or rehab.

Are you okay?