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  • THE 0NE
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2007
    • 590

    gun show loophole???

    i have a customer asking me about the out of state gun show loophole were if you are a resident of the state you can legally purchase cash and carry from another non dealer individual. where can i find this info so i can print it and give it to him.
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    THE 0NE
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2007
    • 590

    is it still legale or did the 1994 brady bill shut that down?

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    • #3
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      Banned
      • Feb 2008
      • 1374

      In most states private party sales are legal. This is the gun show "loop hole" although gun shows have nothing to do with it. Private parties can sell their guns in the paper, out of the trunk of their car or at a gun show.

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        THE 0NE
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2007
        • 590

        Originally posted by Stick
        In most states private party sales are legal. This is the gun show "loop hole" although gun shows have nothing to do with it. Private parties can sell their guns in the paper, out of the trunk of their car or at a gun show.
        do you know where i can find this info???

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        • #5
          Gunaria
          Banned
          • Jan 2007
          • 3894

          What state is this customer asking about?

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            audiophil2
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            • Jan 2007
            • 8736

            Established in 1975, the Institute for Legislative Action (ILA) is the "lobbying" arm of the National Rifle Association of America. ILA is responsible for preserving the right of all law-abiding individuals in the legislative, political, and legal arenas, to purchase, possess and use firearms for legitimate purposes as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.


            I used to cash and carry in Illinois several years ago. The laws are a little tougher now but you should find a few states that still allow it.
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            • #7
              zinfull
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              • Aug 2006
              • 2733

              There are still states that allow their citizens to cash and carry private gun sales. Most from what I have read do restrict hand gun cash and carry. But being a regular CA resident you are not allow to purchase firearms and take possession outside CA. You have to go by your state of residency guns laws and the state you are in when buying fire arms. You can buy and have it shipped to a FFL in state to pick up after the DROS.

              jerry

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              • #8
                timdps
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                CGN Contributor
                • Feb 2007
                • 3468

                Originally posted by zinfull
                There are still states that allow their citizens to cash and carry private gun sales. Most from what I have read do restrict hand gun cash and carry. But being a regular CA resident you are not allow to purchase firearms and take possession outside CA.

                jerry
                Unless one is buying a C&r firearm with a C&R license...

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                • #9
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                  • Oct 2005
                  • 44649

                  Originally posted by THE 0NE
                  do you know where i can find this info???
                  It has to be in the state laws where the person lives.

                  But it might not be a positive expression of law; much of penal code, where California keeps almost all of its gun laws, tells you what you MAY NOT do, and if an action is not forbidden, it's usually permitted. So sometimes the best you can do is point at the list of "do nots" and say "what you want to do is not forbidden".
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                  • #10
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                    • Oct 2005
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                    Originally posted by timdps
                    Unless one is buying a C&r firearm with a C&R license...
                    You're right, but that's not a 'regular CA resident', that's a holder of a Federal Firearms License.

                    Most people who have C&R know what that allows. Introducing it to a thread where C&R wasn't in the original question usually just confuses things.
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                    • #11
                      rod
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 2245

                      Virginia Code 18.2-308.2:3 addresses the background check be performed for all firearm transactions through a FFL. There isn't anything ( that I can find) that says anything about a BG check when conducting a PPT. If it's not ILLEGAL, then it has to be legal. Here's a website for some interesting reading on VA gun laws...http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms.shtm
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                      • #12
                        kingjoey
                        Banned
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 441

                        Most states (if not all) require that a person confirm that the buyer is a resident of the state where the private party sale is occuring. There is no 'gunshow loophole', but apparently a lot of CA residents believe there is because there's no shortage of them trying to buy a gun via PPT here in AZ without disclosing that they are an out-of-state resident

                        There is no 'gunshow loophole', only a 'retard loophole' wherein buyers who are trying to buy something they can't legally have encounter sellers who will sell to anyone that can fog a mirror without so much as checking ID
                        Last edited by kingjoey; 04-14-2009, 6:54 AM.

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                        • #13
                          hawk81
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 1489

                          This is not a loophole. Quit referring to it as that, you are just feeding the anti gun mentality.

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                          • #14
                            Josh3239
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Dec 2006
                            • 9191



                            This "gun show loophole" nonsense is stupid. There is no loophole! Never in the history of America have non-liscenced individuals been required by federal law to transfer a firearm between each other through an FFL or a background check. Even when Federal Firearms Liscences were recreated, the liscences were and are only for people engaging in the business of firearms, FFLs were not created for the occassional private sale. Even the use of the word "gun show" is misleading, the private transfer of a firearms between two unliscenced individuals does not have to be at a gun show, per Federal law (and depending on state law) you could do it at the local shooting or at your buddy's house.

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                            • #15
                              CmpsdNoMore
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 1699

                              I moved to californai just last August.
                              Wisconsin has legal PPT without an FFL. I bought 2 rifles from a relative by going to his house and getting them.
                              Also, you can buy a pistol at 18 if you buy it from a private party and not a dealer.
                              Last edited by CmpsdNoMore; 04-14-2009, 2:08 PM.

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