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  • NapaPlinker
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2010
    • 965

    .22LR instead of Featureless?

    Just curious for those with lowers not marked "Multi Cal" or ".22LR"...

    If you were to purchase a CMMG .22LR conversion kit so the rifle is a rim-fire. Would that within the realms of legality as far as having avoided registration, or are we just waiting for the first lawsuit. As California makes up there own definitions of everything I'm trying to see if it would still be legally considered a "center-fire" rifle, even though it would not have the capability to accept center fire ammo with the kit installed.

    I did try and do a search, so if its DUPE blame google and the search bar.

    Pew Pew Pew.
  • #2
    boopiejones
    Senior Member
    • May 2014
    • 2044

    I personally wouldn’t be concerned with that. But if I owned the parts to convert it to centerfire - bolt, magazine, etc - I would probably also own the parts to convert it to featureless or fixed mag (and maybe keep all those parts together both for my own convenience and to be super safe concerning the law). That way it would make the constructive possession argument more difficult.
    my Benitez goes to 11

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    • #3
      NapaPlinker
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2010
      • 965

      What you are saying makes sense. I guess you'd really need to do somthing wrong/illegal to get bugged in the first place.
      Pew Pew Pew.

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      • #4
        nguyen.h.harry
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2018
        • 539

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        • #5
          mshill
          Veteran Member
          • Dec 2012
          • 4458

          Originally posted by nguyen.h.harry
          Has to be a dedicated.22LR where the barrel is only .22LR
          No such law exists. This is heavily debated, and the only case law involves a felon (Nguyen). with a parts kit that told authorities he intended to assemble it into an illegal configuration.
          The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.

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          • #6
            Nick Adams
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 1329

            I am debating a dedicated 17 wsm/22 lr lower. I think the 17 wsm cartridge will survive based on its parent case being used for nail guns. It would add range to a rim fire ar.

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            • #7
              Jimi Jah
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2014
              • 18819

              My .22LR AR's are also featureless. California LEO's are less versed in CA guns laws than we are. So I compensate for them.

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              • #8
                NapaPlinker
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2010
                • 965

                Originally posted by Jimi Jah
                My .22LR AR's are also featureless. California LEO's are less versed in CA guns laws than we are. So I compensate for them.
                It's really awful how we have to live! Ugh. That's were I am... Probably worth the extra $ to get an MP15-22
                Pew Pew Pew.

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                • #9
                  vintagedude88
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 2034

                  If it still has a gas tube and gas block, then it isn't dedicated. Remove the gas tube and reverse the gas block to cover the gas port to dedicate your upper conversion. To dedicate your lower remove the buffer, spring and retainer. You may also need to consider plugging the buffer tube as well. Edit: Come to think of it plugging the receiver may not help because you can still use an AR18 or MCX upper.
                  Last edited by vintagedude88; 02-19-2019, 10:36 AM.

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                  • #10
                    vintagedude88
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 2034

                    Originally posted by Jimi Jah
                    My .22LR AR's are also featureless. California LEO's are less versed in CA guns laws than we are. So I compensate for them.
                    Kali LEOs may not be versed in featurless either.

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                    • #11
                      Californio
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 4169

                      I saw this in 2018, add in the CRPA magazine,



                      Reason is .22LR no-lead sucks, the .17HMR no-lead while not as good as leaded, it does work quite well.

                      I don't regret buying it.


                      Originally posted by NapaPlinker
                      Just curious for those with lowers not marked "Multi Cal" or ".22LR"...

                      If you were to purchase a CMMG .22LR conversion kit so the rifle is a rim-fire. Would that within the realms of legality as far as having avoided registration, or are we just waiting for the first lawsuit. As California makes up there own definitions of everything I'm trying to see if it would still be legally considered a "center-fire" rifle, even though it would not have the capability to accept center fire ammo with the kit installed.

                      I did try and do a search, so if its DUPE blame google and the search bar.

                      "The California matrix of gun control laws is among the harshest in the nation and are filled with criminal law traps for people of common intelligence who desire to obey the law." - U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez

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                      • #12
                        nguyen.h.harry
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2018
                        • 539

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                        • #13
                          ar15barrels
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                          • Jan 2006
                          • 57129

                          Originally posted by NapaPlinker
                          It's really awful how we have to live! Ugh. That's were I am... Probably worth the extra $ to get an MP15-22
                          I bought a magpul edition M&P15-22 for $279 shipped.
                          It was not worth it to me to build with a standard lower at that price point.
                          Last edited by ar15barrels; 02-20-2019, 8:37 AM.
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                          • #14
                            NapaPlinker
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2010
                            • 965

                            Originally posted by ar15barrels
                            I bought a magpul edition M&P15-22 for $279 shipped.
                            It was not worth it to me to build with a standard lower at that price point.
                            Well damn where did you order it from?
                            Pew Pew Pew.

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                            • #15
                              Jimi Jah
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2014
                              • 18819

                              Originally posted by vintagedude88
                              Kali LEOs may not be versed in featurless either.
                              Which is why I carry a printed out copy of the California gun laws in my range bag. I'd rather argue the merits in the field rather than at the police station.

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