True or False: It is not permissable to shoot on BLM land in San Diego?

[God Bless America]

There is more to the story that you do not appear to be aware of.

I stand by my statement, and it's implication.

The BLM restriction covered more than just SD Co. It was regional.

[zhyla]

Yeah everyone knows about the seasonal BLM restriction, but what about the SD county ban? Does it stand?

[Jimi Jah]

Not as of the 20th. It's open, clean your mess.

[zhyla]

Not as of the 20th. It's open, clean your mess.

Awesome, but how do we know this?

[God Bless America]

Yeah everyone knows about the seasonal BLM restriction, but what about the SD county ban? Does it stand?

Here is what I was able to find. It was not county-wide, but limited to 2 specific areas.

https://bosagenda.sdcounty.ca.gov/agendadocs/doc?id=0901127e808835d2

http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Letter-to-County-Board-of-Supervisors-San-Diego-re-BLM-lands.pdf

http://www.cbs8.com/story/39257932/county-board-of-supervisors-votes-to-ban-target-shooting-outside-dulzura

There is more to the story that you do not appear to be aware of.

I stand by my statement, and it's implication.

Is the above what you have in mind? Or are you aware of a different County effort?

[zhyla]

Here is what I was able to find. It was not county-wide, but limited to 2 specific areas.

https://bosagenda.sdcounty.ca.gov/agendadocs/doc?id=0901127e808835d2

http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Letter-to-County-Board-of-Supervisors-San-Diego-re-BLM-lands.pdf

http://www.cbs8.com/story/39257932/county-board-of-supervisors-votes-to-ban-target-shooting-outside-dulzura

Thanks for the links. Found the county ordinance:

SD county ordinance 10573

According to the county website you can be assessed up to $1000 per day of violation. That sounds more like something county code enforcement would do for more static violations. I imagine a sheriff can cite you for ordinance violations? Can they actually enforce on federal land though? Or do the rangers generally enforce state laws?

Anyway, seems like this is far from settled. I don't think it's accurate to say the feds told the state to pound sand, as far as I can tell they merely lifted their fire restriction at an appropriate/coincidental time.

[God Bless America]

BLM allows recreational shooting on most of its land, in accordance with local regulations. County ordinances are local regs.

So yes, Sheriffs can enforce county laws on federal land if the feds agree to it, and it appears as though they have.

It looks like people built houses near an informal shooting area, which then was shut down to shooting, that's been happening for a hundred years in the USA.

It sucks, but it's nothing new, and not peculiar to CA.

[zhyla]

So yes, Sheriffs can enforce county laws on federal land if the feds agree to it, and it appears as though they have.

I haven't seen any mention of this by the BLM agency. Why do you think the feds agreed to it?

I guess I'll have to contact BLM to get a real answer, there's just not enough actual information available online about this.

[God Bless America]

I haven't seen any mention of this by the BLM agency. Why do you think the feds agreed to it?

I guess I'll have to contact BLM to get a real answer, there's just not enough actual information available online about this.

Not quite sure why they did, maybe at the request of the states?

What information do you want to see? The BLM website provides some info, but not the particular federal act declining preemption.

FWIW when I have called asking for some information, they were polite and helpful.

https://www.blm.gov/programs/recreation/recreation-programs/recreational-shooting/california

[zhyla]

What information do you want to see? The BLM website provides some info, but not the particular federal act declining preemption.

No offense man, but I don't think you understand what information is. I want to know if it's legal to shoot on BLM land that SD county says you can't. If I get an answer from the BLM office I'll report back.

[God Bless America]

No offense man, but I don't think you understand what information is. I want to know if it's legal to shoot on BLM land that SD county says you can't. If I get an answer from the BLM office I'll report back.

Well look at the screen cap I just posted. That's BLM's position.

If you think that is not legal, that is a different matter.

And I think I know what "information" is, thanks. And yes I am offended. The MOU attached to the Michel letter I linked to above should answer your question.
Good luck.

[zhyla]

Well look at the screen cap I just posted. That's BLM's position.

Uh-huh. See where it says "except where prohibited by ... local laws"?

[God Bless America]

Uh-huh. See where it says "except where prohibited by ... local laws"?

Yes. You stated that "I want to know if it's legal to shoot on BLM land that SD county says you can't."

My screen cap say 'you cannot shoot on BLM land where prohibited by local laws.'

If SD County says you cannot, then BLM says you cannot shoot on BLM land in SD County. How does that not answer your question?

[zhyla]

Yes. You stated that "I want to know if it's legal to shoot on BLM land that SD county says you can't."

My screen cap say 'you cannot shoot on BLM land where prohibited by local laws.'

If SD County says you cannot, then BLM says you cannot shoot on BLM land in SD County. How does that not answer your question?

Ok, my apologies, I got confused by a post where you quoted someone and got it stuck in my head that you were arguing the county ban isn't valid.

The Michels & Associates letter which you linked to makes compelling arguments. I do think it's more complicated than the BLM screen cap you posted makes it out to be -- it isn't intended to be legal advice on federal preemption issues.