First rifle

[1911man]

My nephew is looking for a 223/5.56 . He mentioned a mini 14, keltec, and a ruger PC 9. Is he missing anything? He doesn’t want a AR style rifle. I told him I started with a mini 14 and did not find it accurate.

[Squatch]

What does he want it for- hunting, plinking, home defense? I would determine that first and then purchase accordingly.

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[Yodaman]

Mini 14......


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[Tere_Hanges]

The Ruger "PC9", is... wait for it... only in 9mm. Go figure? So its going to be pretty hard to find one in .223/556 since, well they dont make any of them in that cartridge.

You did not specify semi auto or bolt action. The Mossberg MVP is a bolt action .223/556 that feeds from AR15 magazines.

The main reason I dont like mini14s is they dont use AR15 mags and since I already have a bunch of ARs and magazines Im not going to buy a .223/556 semiauto that cant use the same mags.

And everyone I personally know that had a mini14 ending up ditching it for one reason or another, mainly because of the crappy proprietary mags.

I recommend a "featureless" AR15. Simply remove the flashider, fix the stock, add a featureless grip of your choice and you are done. You have pretty much the same functionality as a standard AR15. You get to keep the standard mag release which IMO really is a deal breaker if you cant have one on an AR15. Fixed mag ARs are ghey.

[ChuckDizzle]

Does he have to have a semi auto?

I also didn't want an AR 15, but after years and many hundreds of dollars wasted on a Mini 14 I ended up with an AR 15.

[johnk518]

Mini 14 is the best CA 223 option. Plus they are like 10 22s, and glocks infinitely customizable


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[Stanze]

Mini-14 is a great first rifle! My first rifle was a Min-14 Ranch Model (built-in mount for optics). I loved it and wish I still had it.

It was decked out in the early 90's -- still CA legal at the time with a Butler Creek folding stock/pistol grip, factory 30 round mag, 3-9X scope.

I stupidly sold it thinking it could be replaced, then SB-23 happened and now I can't replace it in same configuration.

Still, a stock Mini-14 is a fun gun!

ARs are cool too, but you have to deal with featureless (fugly, lame ergos) or mag-lock (potentially unsafe if rifle malfunctions with a live round still in it) crap. Both have their pros and cons.

Mini-14 is un****ed out of the box!

[CSACANNONEER]

How about a bolt gun chambered in .223?

[1911man]

Just texted him he prefers a semi, but he did like the MVP

[Tere_Hanges]

Just texted him he prefers a semi, but he did like the MVP

Fightlite SCR and Keltec RDB-C are two other options besides the SU16 and mini14.

https://www.keltecweapons.com/rifles/rdb-c

[keith1911]

Of the 2 semi-auto 5.56 rifles you listed my vote would be for the Mini-14.

[plumbum]

Ditch the 5.56, go for the Ruger PC Carbine and don’t look back (and buy a matching Glock).

[ChuckDizzle]

Just texted him he prefers a semi, but he did like the MVP

If he liked the MVP put a CZ 527M (carbine) in his hands.

5 lbs, fully adjustable and set trigger, butter smooth Mauser action, cold hammer forged barrel, Turkish walnut stock.

It's on another level of fit and finish compared to the MVP.

[TrailerparkTrash]

Another bump for the Mini-14. It’s the “American AK-47.”

[TMB 1]

Just texted him he prefers a semi, but he did like the MVP

If he likes the MVP, the Kel Tec SU-16 is way to go for semi auto, because both can use same magazines. There is also the Ruger Ranch that uses AR mags https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...16+FDE+10RD+AR

But if he's not going to get a bolt rifle that uses AR mags the Mini-14 is fine.