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    ekkthree
    Member
    • Jul 2018
    • 353

    tangentially, do all soldiers come back deaf??

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    • #18
      kmas
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2014
      • 1315

      make sure it has a VERY fast response time - your ears can get some damage quickly with the sort of dBA exposure in an indoor range.

      I prefer 3M classic plus, and 30+ dB earmuffs (old fashioned) over them.

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      • #19
        code_blue
        Veteran Member
        • Sep 2012
        • 3452

        The issues with square profile earpros like the HL and Walkers are that they are square and offer minimal protection when the batteries die. If you have a smaller head, they tend to not seal well. Plus not as comfy.
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        • #20
          ChuckDizzle
          Banned
          • Dec 2013
          • 4398

          Originally posted by code_blue
          The issues with square profile earpros like the HL and Walkers are that they are square and offer minimal protection when the batteries die. If you have a smaller head, they tend to not seal well. Plus not as comfy.
          Batteries have nothing to do with the NRR.

          The batteries only power the microphone and speaker system. The mic and speakers only have a certain decibel range and can't transmit sound louder than a certain level, a gunshot is above that level so it comes through as a pop compressed to the level of the microphone and speaker system. The same applies as to why you don't need ear pro to watch gun videos on your phone.

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          • #21
            ChuckDizzle
            Banned
            • Dec 2013
            • 4398

            Originally posted by ekkthree
            tangentially, do all soldiers come back deaf??
            Almost all, not from guns or bombs, but mainly equipment and vehicles. All my hearing loss is from riding in CH 47 helicopters in Afghanistan. Once spent over an hour in one without ear pro.

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            • #22
              NORBERT
              Junior Member
              • Jan 2016
              • 74

              Originally posted by Heydeck52
              I recently purchased MSA Sordin Pros with gel cups. Owned the HL's before.

              The sordins are great. Really comfortable wearing all day for a match and noise reduction is good to me. I still double up when shooting indoors. My only regret was getting the over the head version vs the behind the head/neck. I have a big ole' grape and I have to put them on a certain wait to make sure they seal.
              ^^^^^^This.
              I have a giant dome as well. Bought the Sordins with the gel cups and behind the neck band a couple of years ago. Love them.

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              • #23
                ekkthree
                Member
                • Jul 2018
                • 353

                For some reason i thought these electronic muffs acted like music headphones with active noise cancelling. Anyone try those for shooting?

                Ill look into those sordin pros too

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                • #24
                  L84CABO
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 8709

                  MSA Sordin Supreme Pro X and Peltor Comtac III's are widely regarded as two of the best sets on the market. But there's new stuff coming out all the time. Safariland just released their Liberator HP's a short while ago and I hear they're good but don't have any direct experience with them.

                  Do note that electronic protection can leave you a bit disappointed. There seems to be an ever so slight lag on most electronic muffs and that lag can be enough to make things uncomfortable...even dangerous. I'm a fan of doubling up with electronics even outdoors. Put in some plugs, pop the muffs on and turn them up all the way and you're good to go.

                  BTW, I've used Pro Ear Gold, Howard Leight Sport and my current set is the MSA Sordins. The MSA's are my favorite so far. YMMV

                  Whatever you get, make absolutely sure they are capable of using the gel cups and get a set. The gel cups are infinitely more comfortable and do a better job of sealing...especially around glasses. I would not buy a pair of electronics that were not capable of accepting gel cups.
                  Last edited by L84CABO; 11-08-2018, 7:12 PM.
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                  • #25
                    DRoberts12345
                    Member
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 477

                    Originally posted by ekkthree
                    any thoughts on these walkers? comparable to the howard leights on amazon

                    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N0WEFQ8...3-7541b2e57237
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                    • #26
                      ChuckDizzle
                      Banned
                      • Dec 2013
                      • 4398

                      Originally posted by ekkthree
                      For some reason i thought these electronic muffs acted like music headphones with active noise cancelling. Anyone try those for shooting?

                      Ill look into those sordin pros too
                      No, that would be a terrible idea. Noise canceling headphones actually pump more noise into your ears. They trick your ears into thinking they eliminate noise by attenuation of ambient frequency, but they offer very little decibel reduction if any.

                      Some high end monitors used by sound techs and musicians do offer nominal protection, but not nearly enough to be used for firearms.

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                      • #27
                        CinnamonBear723
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 1874

                        I use electronics. If i'm indoors, I double up with earplugs as well. My hearing is already damaged and getting worse, so I do what I can to protect what I got left.

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                        • #28
                          XDJYo
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Apr 2012
                          • 6893

                          Originally posted by CinnamonBear723
                          I use electronics. If i'm indoors, I double up with earplugs as well. My hearing is already damaged and getting worse, so I do what I can to protect what I got left.
                          Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips
                          Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model
                          Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes).
                          M&P 15 (Mine)

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                          • #29
                            XDJYo
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 6893

                            Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips
                            Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model
                            Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes).
                            M&P 15 (Mine)

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                            • #30
                              ekkthree
                              Member
                              • Jul 2018
                              • 353

                              Originally posted by ChuckDizzle
                              No, that would be a terrible idea. Noise canceling headphones actually pump more noise into your ears. They trick your ears into thinking they eliminate noise by attenuation of ambient frequency, but they offer very little decibel reduction if any.

                              Some high end monitors used by sound techs and musicians do offer nominal protection, but not nearly enough to be used for firearms.

                              good to know.

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