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  • Starslinger
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2016
    • 1486

    Is there such a thing as low power / subsonic .308?

    If a person had a .308 rifle and wanted to use it for home defense, is there any kind of low power, subsonic, frangible or reloaded ammunition that would make the .308 a reasonable choice without endangering the neighborhood in the way that normal .308 would due to extreme over penetration?
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    Blade Gunner
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2013
    • 4422

    Try 300 black out in an AR frame. 200 grain subsonic. Designed for suppressed shooting.


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    • #3
      ChuckDizzle
      Banned
      • Dec 2013
      • 4398

      No, are you trying to use a bolt gun for home defense? If so, stop.

      If not you won't find or build a subsonic load in .308 that will reliably cycle a semi auto.

      In addition, a subsonic .308 would be nearly equivalent to a 9mm pistol or .45 ACP depending on weight. And slow heavy projectiles over penetrate worse than light fast ones.

      If you want the firepower of a rifle, and the safest ammo, buy a 5.56mm semi auto, fill it with soft point ammo.

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      • #4
        plumbum
        Calguns Addict
        • May 2010
        • 5394

        I saw subsonic 7.62x39 ammo at Sportsmans Warehouse, I’m sure there are loads tailored for suppressors - I’d buy subsonic Mosin ammo it it was tactical enough...
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        • #5
          beanz2
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          • Nov 2008
          • 12032

          Really?

          Link please! I can really use some...
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          • #6
            sonofeugene
            Veteran Member
            • Oct 2013
            • 4398

            Get a shotgun.
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            • #7
              Kokopelli
              Veteran Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 3388

              Yes, there is such a thing. Just saw it in the November 2018 edition of American Rifleman.

              Winchester Super-X Ammunition 308 Winchester Subsonic 185 Grain Power-Point

              Grain Weight 185 Grains
              Muzzle Velocity 1060 Feet Per Second
              Muzzle Energy 461 Foot Pounds
              Bullet Style Jacketed Hollow Point
              Bullet Brand And Model Winchester Power-Point
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              • #8
                audiophil2
                Senior Member
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Jan 2007
                • 8736

                atomic makes subsonic 308. You have to fine tune an ar10 to make it cycle. Even my friends pws with adjustable gas block has issues cycling it.
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                • #9
                  FeuerFrei
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 7455

                  For HD? Don't ask a 308 to do a SA/pump shotguns job.

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                  • #10
                    mshill
                    Veteran Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 4451

                    Originally posted by Blade Gunner
                    Try 300 black out in an AR frame. 200 grain subsonic. Designed for suppressed shooting.
                    ^^^^ This, or just buy a .45 pistol
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                    • #11
                      Lonestargrizzly not a Cabinetguy
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Dec 2015
                      • 6504

                      Originally posted by mshill
                      ^^^^ This, or just buy a .45 pistol
                      Or just buy a 9mm

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                      • #12
                        meno377
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                        • Jul 2013
                        • 4911

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                        • #13
                          Starslinger
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2016
                          • 1486

                          Okay. Thanks for the information, folks!

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                          • #14
                            crufflers
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 12723

                            I wonder what the blue plastic practice ammo would do @ 5,000 FPS.



                            I have a box. Maybe I'll try it in my TC COMPASS (outdoors).

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                            • #15
                              MASTERLAB
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 969

                              You could Load the round yourself. You could use round nose heavy bullets, Sierra makes a 220 grain. I don't reload or I'd give more detailed advise but that's where I'd start.

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