Selling semi-auto pistols from CA

[tap4154]

Forgive me if this is covered somewhere, I've been browsing threads and go crosseyed reading all the laws etc. I remember when shooting used to be fun, not something you had to have a law license for...

Situation is me: no FFL in CA, have some old semi-autos I'd like to move on that were my Dad's. The estate was left to me, so I lawfully own them. I was going to take them to a local pawn that's been recommended to me by a collector I trust, but know I could get quite a bit more if I sold them individually.

So question: Can I just post them here, or on other auction sites, then what happens? Does the buyer contact the FFL and how do I ship?

I just don't want to do anything illegal, which is why I've considered just letting the pawn shop handle it all, and taking a loss.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

Tom

[P5Ret]

In order to sell anything that is not on the roster it can only be sold locally either through a consignment sale, or through a Private Party Transfer facilitated by an FFL. Anything you ship would be a dealer transfer and subject to the roster.

Best bet and to get maximum funds is to sell them yourself locally here in the market place.

[Garv]

No mags. larger than 10 rounds unless they are blocked.

Private Party Transfer here to max. out your sale if you are in CA.

Where are you located?
Someone here could recommend a nearby FFL.

[tap4154]

In order to sell anything that is not on the roster it can only be sold locally either through a consignment sale, or through a Private Party Transfer facilitated by an FFL. Anything you ship would be a dealer transfer and subject to the roster.

Best bet and to get maximum funds is to sell them yourself locally here in the market place.

Roster? I don't even know what that is. But bottom line is I could list a pistol like the HK p7 here, then ship it to the buyer via an FFL they pick?

I had considered the consignment route as well, a Turner's nearby, but more eyeballs online.

[tap4154]

No mags. larger than 10 rounds unless they are blocked.

Private Party Transfer here to max. out your sale if you are in CA.

Where are you located?
Someone here could recommend a nearby FFL.

I once used OC Armory in Laguna Hills as my FFL years ago.

[edgerly779]

look up your handgun on ca on roster list or ask ffl. if off roster no shipping within state unless sold to leo thru ffl. and your mags have been illegal since large cap mag ban was implemented.

[P5Ret]

Roster? I don't even know what that is. But bottom line is I could list a pistol like the HK p7 here, then ship it to the buyer via an FFL they pick?

I had considered the consignment route as well, a Turner's nearby, but more eyeballs online.

Not if the buyer is in CA. Be careful advertising anything especially if it has large capacity magazines, as simply offering those for sale in Ca is a crime.
Here is a link to the roster of handguns certified for sale, note it does not have any effect on personal sales only what a dealer may transfer to a buyer.

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certguns?make=All

Edit: One more thing it has to match exactly to what is listed on the roster. Not just make and model but stock number as well. There are very few (if any) guns that were available in the time frame you say your father purchased them that would be on the roster today as they were back then.

[tap4154]

look up your handgun on ca on roster list or ask ffl. if off roster no shipping within state unless sold to leo thru ffl. and your mags have been illegal since large cap mag ban was implemented.

Thank you.

[Ora Serrata]

I thought OP could sell it with high cap mag as long as buyer is LEO.

[tap4154]

Not if the buyer is in CA. Be careful advertising anything especially if it has large capacity magazines, as simply offering those for sale in Ca is a crime.
Here is a link to the roster of handguns certified for sale, note it does not have any effect on personal sales only what a dealer may transfer to a buyer.

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certguns?make=All

Thanks for that.

[hvacins]

Selling semi-auto pistols from CA

So no grandfather clause? The guns were purchased in 1984 and have been sitting a a gun cabinet. Could they be sold to someone out of state?

www.shipmygun.comwww.magazineblocks.com and block them to 10 rounds to be legit. Hope that helps.




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[ar15barrels]

Situation is me: no FFL in CA, have some old HK and Colt semi-autos I'd like to move on that were my Dad's. The estate was left to me, so I lawfully own them. I was going to take them to a local pawn that's been recommended to me by a collector I trust, but know I could get quite a bit more if I sold them individually. One especially, an early HK P7 M13 in pristine shape, he gave my a rough idea what he'd pay, but I know I could get substantially more from a collector/retail customer.

So question: Can I just post them here, or on other auction sites, then what happens? Does the buyer contact the FFL and how do I ship? What's the deal on handgun magazines bought pre-ban if sold to another CA resident?

There are two ways to transfer the ownership.
You can sell as a "Private Party Transfer' or as a "dealer transfer".
Both are done through an FFL.
The difference is the proximity of the buyer.

If you find a local buyer and he meets you at the FFL, the transfer is done as a "private party transfer".
If you find a buyer that is not able to meet you at a local FFL, then the firearms are mailed/shipped to an FFL near the buyer.

The "roster" is the list of guns that are ALLOWED to be transferred to non-law enforcement citizens of California.
Private party transfers are EXEMPT of the roster.
Law Enforcement officers are EXEMPT of the roster.
Dealer transfers are NOT EXEMPT of the roster.
Any handgun being transferred as a "dealer transfer" to a non-law enforcement officer has to be on the roster.

The roster list is quite small compared to the full gamut of guns that are available outside of CA plus all the old guns that are no longer made and therefore never placed on the roster by the companies that made them.
It cost a manufacturer a couple thousand dollars to certify a model so manufacturers are not going to pay that sort of money to certify old models that they do not even make anymore.

Most likely, all the handguns you have from 1984 are OFF ROSTER.
This means that you would not be able to sell them to non-law enforcement people through a dealer transfer, but you CAN sell them to local buyers who would meet you at your local FFL to do the private party transfer.
You could also sell them to law enforcement buyers through a dealer transfer.
Supply and demand is WHY the off-roster handguns will get a premium in CA.
People want what they can't get and will pay a lot more than the same gun would bring outside CA.
You might get $3000+ for that HK P7 if it's an M13.

As for mags, Law enforcement can buy them.
Non-law enforcement can only purchase mags that are 10 rounds or less.
You can block the mags that hold more than 10 rounds so that they do NOT hold more than 10 rounds and they are legal to sell in CA.
It's as simple as installing a spacer inside the magazine and riveting or welding the baseplate on.
You can sell the mags out of state if you don't want to deal with converting them.

[Romeo_alpha01]

Hope there’s a Walther p88 in that mix. Your father has exceptional taste

[tap4154]

No Walther P88, but thanks to all for the information. It's all very helpful.

[Milsurp1]