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  • EMP3
    Member
    • Aug 2018
    • 343

    Appreciateion for Springfield Armory

    All new products have flaws that are revealed with use. Guns do not deviate from this rule. The infamous roster, which is progressive, is backdoor gun control that will assuredly lead to confiscation, has paced handgun manufacturers in treacherous positions. If they modify a semi to address flaws, it becomes a new handgun that must pass roster requirements. Micro stamping precludes modification of rostered handguns lest they are denied rostering.

    My prediction is a law preventing resale of off-roster handguns. If CA DOJ determines that they're not safe for the retail market, then they must be unsafe in summa; hence, it can't allow unsafe handguns to become available for sale in the secondary marketplace. Since they're de facto unsafe handguns -according to CA DOJ- they'll have to be surrendered to governmental handgun safety agents for destruction.

    I've recently bought an EMP 3. My initial conclusion that I had reached w/o sufficient deliberation was wrong. Once I figured out that had SA marketed to Californians flawless copies of EMP 3s, it would have been prevented SA from selling them in CA due to micro stamping.

    Prior to buying mine, I called SA's customer service. A very cordial woman told me that I had to buy one with "CA" after the model number indicating it was approved for sale in CA. My guess is SA specifically manufacturers this model exactly as approved by CA DOJ thus enabling it to remain on the roster.

    I had experienced a few problems with my EMP 3. I called SA. The customer service rep truncated our conversation after learning I that I lived in CA. It was obvious that she knew of problems associated with CA approved EMP 3s. She immediately send me a shipping label. Within 3 weeks, I had a flawless copy of an EMP 3. It's as reliable as any handgun I own, and that includes my P229, which might just be the most reliable mass produced handgun ever manufactured.

    SA's decision was the right decision for CA's Second Amendment loyalists. Had it corrected design flaws, CA DOJ would've considered it a new gun requiring micro stamping; hence, it would've denied CA ability to own a flawless handgun. I'm sure that other manufacturers are mired in the same predicament. In contrast, most semi manufacturers have bailed on CA gun owners.

    I will continue to support SA in every way I can. And I support its decision 100%.

    The intent of micro stamping is not crime prevention nor is it solving crimes. The goal of micro stamping is denying Californians access to ALL semis. This is a done deal.
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    Yodaman
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2012
    • 2749

    Just a friendly FYI appreciation is spelled wrong in your title and thread :-)


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    • #3
      BajaJames83
      Calguns Addict
      • Jun 2011
      • 6034

      Their last political stunt has tarnished them for me..
      The gun community felt betrayed by Springfield Armory's supposed deal with the IFMA. Let's look at that now that things have changed.
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      • #4
        Josh3239
        Calguns Addict
        • Dec 2006
        • 9189

        Originally posted by BajaJames83
        Their last political stunt has tarnished them for me..
        https://gunstoday.com/why-is-everyon...gfield-armory/
        Not one shred of evidence has ever been submitted showing Springfield Armory knew about or ordered the actions of the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). The only connection between Springfield Armory the IFMA is the Springfield is one of their biggest sources of funding. Is it really that big of a surprise that one of the biggest firearms manufacturers in the state of Illinois gives money to the Illinios Firearms Manufacturers Association? SA has nothing to gain to cut out smaller dealers as they sell to them, the IFMA on the other hand is incentivized as lobbyists to cut out backroom political deals for their big time donors. Since then Springfield has denied involvement and severed ties with the IFMA and campaigned against the law.

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        • #5
          -hanko
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • Jul 2002
          • 14174

          Originally posted by Josh3239
          Not one shred of evidence has ever been submitted showing Springfield Armory knew about or ordered the actions of the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA).
          Reminds me of Manuel on Fawlty Towers ..."I knooooow notheeeing".
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          • #6
            EMP3
            Member
            • Aug 2018
            • 343

            Originally posted by BajaJames83
            Their last political stunt has tarnished them for me..
            https://gunstoday.com/why-is-everyon...gfield-armory/

            Then there's the other side of the story:


            In contrast, Bill Ruger himself said civilians (read: We, the People) have no justifiable reason to own a semi with a mag capacity of more than 5 rounds. I wouldn't look at a Ruger firearm for 3+ decades. A few years ago I caved and bought a blued GP-100.

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            • #7
              Drakulya
              Junior Member
              • Dec 2016
              • 38

              The EMP is an awesome gun. Luckily my gun hasn't had any problems. Knowing how this gun runs today I would gladly buy another in a heart beat. Actually I do plan on it, its just that good. Even if I had to send one back to SA for a minor tune up it would be worth it. This article is correct in stating that SA is required to build the gun exactly as it was approved.

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              • #8
                Jimi Jah
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jan 2014
                • 18643

                That's why they come with the wood grips attached and the plastic grips in the box. If SA sent the 1911's here with the plastic grips attached they would have to re-submit it for another "safety certification".

                Yes, Excremento figures plastic grips are dangerous.

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                • #9
                  heidad01
                  Veteran Member
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 4902

                  Originally posted by EMP3
                  Then there's the other side of the story:


                  In contrast, Bill Ruger himself said civilians (read: We, the People) have no justifiable reason to own a semi with a mag capacity of more than 5 rounds. I wouldn't look at a Ruger firearm for 3+ decades. A few years ago I caved and bought a blued GP-100.
                  Oh well, just because a guy owns a gun manufaturing company does not mean that he won't be an ignorant dick. Bill Ruger proved that with his statement.

                  As for Springfield, I like them. They have been responsive and courteous any time I called. They support their guns and customers above and beyond expectation.

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                  • #10
                    bronco75a
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2016
                    • 659

                    So CA DOJ's policy of basically no new handguns forces a company to keep selling a defective product that it can sell here putting citizens of this state at risk. Good going Democrats.

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                    • #11
                      jtv3062
                      Veteran Member
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 2746

                      Originally posted by Yodaman
                      Just a friendly FYI appreciation is spelled wrong in your title and thread :-)


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                      So is the name of the gun manufacturer. It's spelled Sprongfield, it's even spelled that way on a few M1A's
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                      • #12
                        colossians323
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                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 21637

                        Originally posted by Yodaman
                        Just a friendly FYI appreciation is spelled wrong in your title and thread :-)


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                        Its french
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                        • #13
                          17+1
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 2847

                          Originally posted by Josh3239
                          Not one shred of evidence has ever been submitted showing Springfield Armory knew about or ordered the actions of the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). The only connection between Springfield Armory the IFMA is the Springfield is one of their biggest sources of funding. Is it really that big of a surprise that one of the biggest firearms manufacturers in the state of Illinois gives money to the Illinios Firearms Manufacturers Association? SA has nothing to gain to cut out smaller dealers as they sell to them, the IFMA on the other hand is incentivized as lobbyists to cut out backroom political deals for their big time donors. Since then Springfield has denied involvement and severed ties with the IFMA and campaigned against the law.
                          The internet says the lobbyist had an office in the Springfield Armory building.

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                          • #14
                            1G75
                            Member
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 180

                            Hope you'll keep it forever....

                            Never mind the APPRECIATION

                            Be prepared to take a hit on DEPRECIATION

                            when you try to sell.....they have one of the worst resale value

                            especially the XD line

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                            • #15
                              GW
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • May 2004
                              • 16078

                              Originally posted by 1G75
                              Never mind the APPRECIATION

                              Be prepared to take a hit on DEPRECIATION

                              when you try to sell.....they have one of the worst resale value

                              especially the XD line

                              Show me any polymer framed gun that's on the roster that doesn't "depreciate". OTOH, SA 1911's and M1A's tend to retain their resale value.
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