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  • #46
    plumbum
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2010
    • 5394

    Ruger 10/22
    Marlin Model 60/795
    Henry .22 WMR lever action
    Hi-Point 995/4095/4595 carbine
    Savage A22 magnum
    Savage Axis .223 youth (w/ red dot)
    Originally posted by ysr_racer
    Please don't bring logic and reason into an interwebs discussion

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    • #47
      SomeGuy75
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2015
      • 1405

      I never liked rifles for home defense. I have multiple XD45s located throughout my home. I use all the same model so all the mage are interchangeable if needed. The only long gun I keep upstairs (besides my wang) is a KSG loaded with 12 rounds of buckshot in the left tube and 12 rounds of slug in the right tube. All my ARs etc are locked in the safe.

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      • #48
        buttfish
        Member
        • Mar 2013
        • 497

        I have silencers - Katana; Tanto; Tomahawk; Tazer; and strong cord, BESIDES all the noisy things. Oh, a shovel and alibi!

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        • #49
          floogy
          Veteran Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 2741

          Originally posted by ChuckDizzle
          So much ballistic baloney in this thread.

          Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, any bullet capable of involuntary stops will easily pass through interior home walls. The end.

          Now some bullets do better at stopping inside a threat. Those bullets tend to be light and fast, ones that penetrate too much tend to be heavy and slow.

          Pistols and shotguns (leave birdshot for the birds) typically are heavy and and slow. They retain weight and penetrate deeply.

          Rifles, especially the popular 5.56mm variety tend to be light and fast. The projectile will usually turn, deform, and fragment inside the target. Do not use ballistic or varmint tip bullets as they break apart much too soon on target and may not penetrate to a vital depth.
          I agree for the most part. The TAP Urban .223 with the 60 gr VMAX will meet FBI minimums for penetration. But considering the massive amount of damage a centerfire rifle round does, the minimum would be fine by me. Now I agree that <60gr frangible may be less than ideal, though again the wound would still very likely stop a threat quickly.

          That's why SWAT teams and cops in general have moved towards the AR. Light, fast bullets will cause absurd amounts of damage and over penetrate less than 9mm or 12 ga. A more even balance between expansion and penetration would be 55gr soft points, though they would penetrate interior walls more than the frangible varieties of bullet.

          My vote is for AR15 or Hi Point 995, though a shotgun is likely more economical and a better option than a cheap AR15 typically. You can get a cheaper AR that may be reliable, or a cheaper shotgun that will be. The OP requirements are contradictory. There is no magic bullet. Anything that will stop a threat reliably will certainly pass through walls if it misses the target.

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          • #50
            003
            Veteran Member
            • Jul 2010
            • 3436

            I agree with one of the above posts. Get a Ruger 9mm carbine. Add a light and a red dot and you are all set. Keep in mind the longer barrel will increase muzzle velocity/energy. Use a quality hollow point to limit penetration. with Glock magazines you have Ruger/Glock perfection.

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