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  • #16
    BillSmith
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2017
    • 546

    tl;dr Something is better than nothing. Doubling doesn't double protection. I think fit is most important factor.

    I have been curious about the custom plugs. Anyone recommend anything specific to buy or to avoid?


    Motorcycle rider here. Well-fitting foam plugs are the best in reduction of noise to ear. Custom molded plugs are more efficient regarding ease of handling and I own multiple pairs, but can definitely discern a difference between NRR 33 soft foam plugs and custom molded silicone.

    Fit is very, very important. In listening to riders relate their experiences with foam plugs, it is obvious they don't insert correctly. (I know, that's what SHE said. If you are going to go there, then where were you when I mentioned having my ears flanked by a silicone pair?)

    Double protection is better, muffs and plugs, but as mentioned by previous posters it does NOT double effectiveness.

    Another issue, is when you talk, yawn or turn your head, the jaw jostles ear plugs or changes 'seal' of muffs. You can hear the difference.

    Even with good plugs and a fairly quiet helmet, the wind noise leaves my ears ringing or hearing a faint whooshing sound for a while. I'm old enough that I shot as a kid/young adult with no ear protection. Rode motorcycles with no helmet, thus no ear protection. My tinnitus only seems to come on when fans are droning. Having the a/c on is worse than riding or shooting.

    Given that my belief is, "Fit is the most important element.", look into custom molded plugs--usually found at gun shows, definitely at any motorcycle show. Or learn to put in a foam plug and if you just can't get the hang of it, use those reusable types that look like a toy ray gun made of silicone. (Yeah, they look like other types of silicone toys, but sheesh, get yer head out of the gutter mateys!)

    My wife works in safety and compliance with an airline. A co-worker with degree in the subject matter agrees with my anecdotal experience that foam plugs deliver a better reduction than custom-molded plugs. But again, if you get a better, more consistent fit with molded, that's better than poorly inserted foam. (OK, have at that sentence for some sophomoric fun!)
    Last edited by BillSmith; 08-11-2018, 6:16 PM.
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    • #17
      pennys dad
      Arizona Ex-Pat
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Feb 2008
      • 5984

      double up, but double up smart. meaning dead earplugs in ear and electronics over ear. This way you hear the talk around you while keeping your hearing.
      Pennys Dad

      Ps 25:4-5 NLT Show me the right path, O Lord; point out the road for me to follow. Lead me by your truth and teach me, for you are the God who saves me. All day long I put my hope in you.

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      • #18
        russ69
        Calguns Addict
        • Nov 2009
        • 9348

        The bad news: Hearing loss can occur from things other than exposure to loud noises.
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        • #19
          hambam105
          Calguns Addict
          • Jan 2013
          • 7083

          Hearing Protection – Not Enough
          What did you say about a Learning Selection? That doesn't make any sense.

          Rush Limbaugh aside from losing a lot of weight, lost `90% of his hearing as a direct result of getting hooked on prescription medications. Well, that what a few Docs told me.

          If R.L. can get hooked on that sheet....I've been listening to R.L. pre-syndication days and I couldn't ever detect by listening to him on the radio that he was addicted.

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          • #20
            Preston-CLB
            Veteran Member
            • Apr 2018
            • 3818

            Originally posted by russ69
            The bad news: Hearing loss can occur from things other than exposure to loud noises.
            High frequencies, and high frequency overtones being the culprit.
            -p
            ? "If you want nice fresh oats, you have to pay a fair price. If you are satisfied with oats that have already been through the horse, well, that comes a little cheaper."

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            • #21
              Tank 57
              Veteran Member
              • Jul 2009
              • 4110

              I double up unless I am only shooting .22s with no other shooters. Still wear plugs for that.

              I'd recommend to anyone to try as many different plugs as you can. They are usually inexpensive. Some fit and work better for me than others. Results won't be the same for everyone.

              I really liked my Howard Leight muffs, until I tried a set of Peltors. Now my preferred choice.

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              • #22
                Ron-Solo
                In Memoriam
                • Jan 2009
                • 8581

                I’ve been doubling up for a while. I’m getting hearing aids next week and I’m going to talk to my audiologist about the best solution.

                I’d really like to get some custom ones to be safer.
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                • #23
                  saki302
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 7187

                  Ear plugs plus amplified ear muffs is the ticket for me.

                  Especially with brakes, AR pistols or 50 BMG. All loud, and worse if you're next to one. Doubled up you just have to deal with the blast

                  IMO the regular squeegee ear plugs work better than the custom molded ones. The molded ones are comfy but don't block noise quite as well. I used to use them in my open top roadster before I sold it.

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                  • #24
                    billkohatsu
                    Member
                    • Jun 2018
                    • 245

                    Good advice in this thread.

                    Been using electronic ear muffs but will double up with some earplugs going forward.

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                    • #25
                      russ69
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 9348

                      Originally posted by Preston-CLB
                      High frequencies, and high frequency overtones being the culprit.
                      -p
                      No, old age and changes in the ear.
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                      • #26
                        MrFancyPants
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2017
                        • 1160

                        Originally posted by ssgrock3
                        Jeezus, shoot it outside if you can, I bet it was load!


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                        Can't... resist... AHHH!

                        That's what SHE said!

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                        • #27
                          Preston-CLB
                          Veteran Member
                          • Apr 2018
                          • 3818

                          Originally posted by russ69
                          No, old age and changes in the ear.
                          That's certainly true. However, audiometry tests on me show some high frequency hearing loss that the doc told me was due to being around jet engines with the high frequency 'whine' of the turbines, and 3000 psi hydraulic test stands.

                          He also told me that very high frequencies and overtones near the threshold of hearing can cause hearing loss.
                          --P
                          ? "If you want nice fresh oats, you have to pay a fair price. If you are satisfied with oats that have already been through the horse, well, that comes a little cheaper."

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                          • #28
                            Rainbow Warrior
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 10501

                            Originally posted by OCEquestrian
                            What did you say? I couldn't hear you........
                            How does that work for reading text ?

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                            • #29
                              sigstroker
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 19619

                              Originally posted by CALI-gula
                              So wear a motorcycle helmet with plugs and hearing protection? If I recall, Doug Koenig experimented with the effects of this years ago in reducing the impression it can have during competition; remember seeing it on "American Shooter" or "Shooting USA" etc.

                              .
                              That was for the Masters iirc. The reason for it was the range would have dozens of shooters all going at the same time, shooting powerful silhouette pistols. It wasn't hearing protection as much as the distraction of concussion in his face from other shooters that would interfere with his concentration.

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                              • #30
                                tipoc
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2008
                                • 630

                                Some years back I went into the company "doctors" for our annual hearing test. The "Doc" told me that my hearing was impaired but only at the higher frequencies so that I would have trouble hearing the songs of birds or some women or children speaking and I might have trouble hearing people speak in restaurants, etc.. But she said, "That's not critical for a man in your line of work."

                                So fellas that's straight from a hearing professional...as long as you can hear what the boss tells you to do, you're good to go.

                                tipoc

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