Defensive Shooting with Off Roster Gun

[NorCalRefuge]

It's no secret Off Roster handguns aren't that difficult to get, if you're willing to pay a premium.

I'm wondering, are there any complications with owning an Off Roster handgun, such as in a defensive shooting situation?

I acknowledge you're already going to have legal problems after a defensive situation, but would an Off Roster just fan the flames? What do our LEO members think? Obviously one hopes to never be in that situation.

Also, I'm curious if there are any issues at local ranges with obviously Off Roster guns?

I'm considering buying a Glock 43 for carry eventually, but am hesitant because it wouldn't be new and it's Off Roster...

[heidad01]

1. Nobody cares about what your gun is, in a good shoot thst is.

2. Do not ask LEO for legal advice.

3. At a range, others would just droll over your off roster guns. So long as they are not illegal in CA in one of many ways.

[Erion929]

It's no secret Off Roster handguns aren't that difficult to get, if you're willing to pay a premium.

I'm wondering, are there any complications with owning an Off Roster handgun, such as in a defensive shooting situation?

I acknowledge you're already going to have legal problems after a defensive situation, but would an Off Roster just fan the flames? What do our LEO members think? Obviously one hopes to never be in that situation.

Also, I'm curious if there are any issues at local ranges with obviously Off Roster guns?

I'm considering buying a Glock 43 for carry eventually, but am hesitant because it wouldn't be new and it's Off Roster...

As you noted, the only bad thing about off roster is it’s pricing.

Everything else is “shoot it legally “ and you’re fine.

No one cares your handgun is off roster....that’s why you can buy it.....well, secondhand

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[P5Ret]

Not illegal to own an off roster gun. Hell there are probably a few hundred thousand or more out there that were in the hands of people long before we got shafted with the roster. Only two of the handguns I have are on the roster, most aren't as they were purchased long before it existed.

[NorCalRefuge]

awesome! Thanks for the info, I was a little worried.

[Sousuke]

It's no secret Off Roster handguns aren't that difficult to get, if you're willing to pay a premium.

I'm wondering, are there any complications with owning an Off Roster handgun, such as in a defensive shooting situation?

I acknowledge you're already going to have legal problems after a defensive situation, but would an Off Roster just fan the flames? What do our LEO members think? Obviously one hopes to never be in that situation.

Also, I'm curious if there are any issues at local ranges with obviously Off Roster guns?

I'm considering buying a Glock 43 for carry eventually, but am hesitant because it wouldn't be new and it's Off Roster...

Looking around Calguns, I've noticed a number of people have had trouble getting their firearm back from the department involved. My impression is that if the firearm is taken in this state "temporarily" its effectively confiscated unless legal help is hired. Something to think about if you spent say 2000 for a hudson 9.

[tnlrat37]

Not a LEO but 2 of my 3 carry guns are off roster, I want to rely on what I carry and I shoot them the best. I can always buy another gun if it is taken and not returned if I need to use it.

My IA had no issues with off roster, they just don’t want trigger mods and it has to be registered to you or your spouse. I’ve also never had issues at ranges except people and range staff wanting to try them out.

[OCEquestrian]

I'm wondering, are there any complications with owning an Off Roster handgun, such as in a defensive shooting situation?

I acknowledge you're already going to have legal problems after a defensive situation, but would an Off Roster just fan the flames? What do our LEO members think? Obviously one hopes to never be in that situation.

As long as a handgun used in a defensive shooting is registered/DROS'd to you, that will not be one of your problems regardless of on / off roster status.

[rugershooter]

Looking around Calguns, I've noticed a number of people have had trouble getting their firearm back from the department involved. My impression is that if the firearm is taken in this state "temporarily" its effectively confiscated unless legal help is hired. Something to think about if you spent say 2000 for a hudson 9.

Why?
I know full well that my carry/defensive guns can be taken as evidence and may not be returned or may be returned damaged. But even if that does happen, the tool accomplished its task.
Also, I've never heard anyone say that about long guns. Nobody seems to bat an eye when people buy an ar-15 or ak for 2K+ and add a $500 sight on it along with an $800+ suppressor.

[NorCalRefuge]

Does an Off Roster increase the chance of not getting it back?

I think most of us would gladly trade a handgun for being alive, but it's still something to consider (ie, don't carry a collectible GI WWII 1911)...

[CinnamonBear723]

I don't see why shooting someone with an off roster would be a problem as long as you legally own it.

[RickD427]

Looking around Calguns, I've noticed a number of people have had trouble getting their firearm back from the department involved. My impression is that if the firearm is taken in this state "temporarily" its effectively confiscated unless legal help is hired. Something to think about if you spent say 2000 for a hudson 9.

Sousuke,

The firearm used in a defensive shooting will be seized as evidence. In every defensive shooting, there is a strong presumption that there was some illegal conduct (normally on the part of the suspect that prompted the shooting). There are a lot of forensic exams that will be performed on the weapon.

Once that is done, the LEA's immediate interest in the weapon is pretty much done. But that doesn't mean that the weapon is available for release. The Constitution provides a criminal defendant the right to confront evidence that is offered against him. That requires the weapon to be preserved in evidence at least through the completion of the criminal process. That includes the initial criminal trial, and many jurisdictions also hold evidence through the appeal period, because an appellate court has the potential to order a new trial.

Even in cases where the original suspect becomes deceased due to the original shooting, not much is changed. There still remains the potential for others to be criminal charged as principles in the offense.

Don't blame the cops for this one. It's a product of the justice system.

[TMB 1]

As long as a handgun used in a defensive shooting is registered/DROS'd to you, that will not be one of your problems regardless of on / off roster status.

What if you bought it or it was a gift before they had to be registered/DROS'd to you?

[Sousuke]

Why?
I know full well that my carry/defensive guns can be taken as evidence and may not be returned or may be returned damaged. But even if that does happen, the tool accomplished its task.
Also, I've never heard anyone say that about long guns. Nobody seems to bat an eye when people buy an ar-15 or ak for 2K+ and add a $500 sight on it along with an $800+ suppressor.

[Sousuke]

Sousuke,

The firearm used in a defensive shooting will be seized as evidence. In every defensive shooting, there is a strong presumption that there was some illegal conduct (normally on the part of the suspect that prompted the shooting). There are a lot of forensic exams that will be performed on the weapon.

Once that is done, the LEA's immediate interest in the weapon is pretty much done. But that doesn't mean that the weapon is available for release. The Constitution provides a criminal defendant the right to confront evidence that is offered against him. That requires the weapon to be preserved in evidence at least through the completion of the criminal process. That includes the initial criminal trial, and many jurisdictions also hold evidence through the appeal period, because an appellate court has the potential to order a new trial.

Even in cases where the original suspect becomes deceased due to the original shooting, not much is changed. There still remains the potential for others to be criminal charged as principles in the offense.

Don't blame the cops for this one. It's a product of the justice system.