Idiots make me nervous/uncomfortable

[Travis8128]

Why did you post this thread in two seperate sections?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=167953

he said he posted it in range stories first but would rather it be here and wanted the one in range stories deleted.

[radioburning]

instead of leaving i would have spent along time basically telling him how wrong he was and showing him the right way.

Instead of leaving him with his firearm ignorance these are the type of people we need to educate before they hurt someone and its all over the news how legal gun owners at legal ranges are killing eachother and all of a sudden everyone feels unsafe at ranges and then a ban is proposed.

you can literally stop a big chain of events from happening.

You can just call it some stupid guy that needs to learn but he and other tards at the range need to be educated. Before they kill or injure someone. Its serious stuff if you look at it that way.

I mean think, what if he does that again sometime and accidentally pulls the trigger and ends up taking a mans life.

Yes it is totally his fault be we should feel responsible because Gun owners, especially in california, are like one big sports team. One messes up and we are all punished.

I mean even the most anti gun people know there are legal ways and places to shoot a gun. And if someone gets killed at these places think what kind of bad PR this is for the gun community.

It will give the tree hugging gun fearing people an excuse to try to take our right to bear arms away.


Now i know that is a little extreme but with this Anti gun president and so many anti gun people in our lovely government we have to prevent any excuse for them to try to strip us of our rights.

Moral of the story: educate these idiots!!!!!

Exactly!

[One Shot, One Dropped]

Why did you post this thread in two seperate sections?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=167953

well, if you read the original post (in this thread) which has not been edited, you will see how i explained that...

[triggerhappy]

Because there is so much to lose, the cost so dear, it is my belief that we must confront carelessness regardless of whether or not it may hurt someones feelings or create animosity with a stranger at a gun range.

Those who do not respect firearms or the use of lethal force not only put themselves in danger, but everyone around them as well as our liberty.

If you see someone doing something unsafe, speak up- if not to the perpetrator of idiocy, then to the rangemaster. The life you save, may be your own.

Well said. you, I believe, are the man.

[Stormfeather]

Because there is so much to lose, the cost so dear, it is my belief that we must confront carelessness regardless of whether or not it may hurt someones feelings or create animosity with a stranger at a gun range.

Those who do not respect firearms or the use of lethal force not only put themselves in danger, but everyone around them as well as our liberty.

If you see someone doing something unsafe, speak up- if not to the perpetrator of idiocy, then to the rangemaster. The life you save, may be your own.

Very well said Citadel, I dont think anyone could have said it better.

[rabagley]

You did great. You were reasonable, consistent, and you didn't compromise what you know to be right.

That person can still be made into a responsible gun owner, but not if you jump down his throat.

[Mason McDuffie]

I agree the situation sucked. The RM cant be everywhere at once. There are several approaches I would recommend using.

One of course is to educate the young shooters yourself. As a experienced shooter you have alot of knowledge to share. If you were to take some time and show them the proper etiquette of the do's and dont's not only are you being an ambassador to our sport, but you are opening the door to new people as well. I have alot of friends who are put off by the sport simply from the first impression they get from the participants. Patience is key. If you have the patience to line up that shot, you have the patience to help someone new to the sport get their feet wet. Just my opinion. There are already so many factors working against the shooting sports, we dont need to add to them.

The next approach should be to contact the owners of the range and or the managers. I cannot stand it when a renter is just handed a gun and pointed to a lane. That is in no way safe and their program needs to be updated. I know there is plenty of stuff a RM has to do, maybe they should hire a employee to hold the hand of a renter just to make sure they are going to behave properly on the range. Hell, ask a shooter if he has a moment. I know if a RM came up to me and said do you have minute I would be honored to lend a hand. Just me though.

third is the approach you used. I'm not trying to bash you, but the message wasnt conveyed properly. I like the laser analogy. If you had told them before you left, "hey look, in the real world pretend everywhere you point your gun a laser shoots out" I think they would have been very receptive.

Your size or mass has no bearing on your skill right? Share it. I am by no means a phenomenal shooter, I still ask others for pointers or advice. I just think we need more shooters out there willing to take a moment and offer a hand. Otherwise come voting time we have no backers and are looked at like fringe group snobs closed off to the outside world.

Just my 2cents.

[rod]

That's happened to me a few times. I always want to jam my barrel down the offenders throat, round in the chamber, finger on the trigger, and ask him if he feels the same way I did when he pointed his gun at me.

I don't shoot at ranges anymore.

[bill104]

Its not just the ones new to this sport, I was at Spenceville a while back, when a group of shooters pulled up, without ever saying anything to anyone, they just walked up between us and set a huge rack on the ground next to the table I was using, and right in the path of my Casings , and began placing black rifles into it, never once caring about my shooting walking out past me to place more rifles in this rack, then I notcied they same group loading and messing with things behind the firing line, in what I can only describe as Dangerous, not wishing to hurt someone or be hurt myself, I decided to leave, I later realized, who these guys were, and yes they are members here, they know who they are, understand we need to help new shooters to be safe, but how do we teach People that have been shooting a long time to be safe, let alone respect fellow shooters. By the way I also lost about 30 Empty casing cuss they were under there rack and I didn't feel it right to mess around other Peoples stuff.

[Josh3239]

I guess I'll tell my recent story, I took a buddy of mine and his wife to the local range. To make the long story short he thought it would be funny to put two rounds through his wife's target on on the next lane over. This was at an indoor range and we were right on the wall. He fired the first shot, hit the wall. I yelled at him and he didn't hear me and he fired a second shot. I yelled again at him and he looked back confused, I told him that he just put two rounds through the wall and he kind of gave me, I guess a mischevious look and went back to shooting his target on his lane. I am not so sure I want to take him again. Oh and he is in the Navy. He was also pretty confused about the operation of the AR, kind of shook my confidence in our servicemen a tiny bit.

Not as bad as your guys' but shooting a bullet through a wall at the shooting range is just not paying attention or being responsible, putting a second through it is just stupid. I was talking to another guy at the range while he was shooting, the guy seemed high or something but he definetly gave a WTF look when he saw my friend put 2rds through the wall. I was pretty embarrassed to be with him at that moment.

[Rogerbutthead]

People do stupid things. I remember being at a range when the guy to my left started to smack the side of his M1 carbine - while the barrel was pointed at the head of the guy sitting to his left.

I said he should point the barrel down range if he was having problems with the action, he gave me a dirty look but did do what I asked.

I never asked if the rifle was loaded or not, but I did keep an eye out for him for the remaining time I spent at that range session.

Just staring at the covers/ceilings of the out door ranges, you see various bullet holes in them.

Plenty of stupid people go to the range. Watch out for them. The range masters can't be everywhere.

[Mason McDuffie]

DAMN SAILORS!!!

Oh and he is in the Navy. He was also pretty confused about the operation of the AR, kind of shook my confidence in our servicemen a tiny bit.

Damn sailors!!!! In his defense the vast majority of sailors dont get any trigger time. In boot (at least in 01 when I was there) they shoot a laser tag rifle that has a blow back feature. Yeah it looks like a AR but when you pull the trigger you get this little blast of air as the "recoil". Once again, this was when I went through. Pretty lame, but I know I wouldnt trust 3/4 of the Navy with a gun that actually shoots.
Now if this was changed after I went through I apologize for the bad info. Just stating what they used during my boot time.

[Turbinator]

I am not so sure I want to take him again. Oh and he is in the Navy. He was also pretty confused about the operation of the AR, kind of shook my confidence in our servicemen a tiny bit.

Thank him for his service, but you need not take him shooting ever again with that kind of behavior.

Turby

[Pvt. Cowboy]

I hate indoor ranges. I don't think I've ever been to one where they had a membership system and required people to demonstrate competency before letting them loose out on the range. It seems that all the people behind the counter care about is if the soundlock doors are open or closed when shooters are going in and coming out.

Rent a gun, buy some boolits, here's your yellow glasses, and off you go!

Why NDs and resulting fatalities don't happen with regularity at indoor ranges, I'll never know.

Outdoor ranges, I actually like. At least I can see what's going on and no foolishness is hidden by plastic barriers. Plus, stern rangemasters watching the line are a big plus. All those ranges that people say they don't like because the staff is so ornery, yeah, I like those ranges. Follow the rules and not act like a diptard and people won't get hurt or yelled at.

[Mstrty]

Its not just the ones new to this sport, I was at Spenceville a while back, when a group of shooters pulled up, without ever saying anything to anyone, they just walked up between us and set a huge rack on the ground next to the table I was using, and right in the path of my Casings , and began placing black rifles into it, never once caring about my shooting walking out past me to place more rifles in this rack, then I notcied they same group loading and messing with things behind the firing line, in what I can only describe as Dangerous, not wishing to hurt someone or be hurt myself, I decided to leave, I later realized, who these guys were, and yes they are members here, they know who they are, understand we need to help new shooters to be safe, but how do we teach People that have been shooting a long time to be safe, let alone respect fellow shooters. By the way I also lost about 30 Empty casing cuss they were under there rack and I didn't feel it right to mess around other Peoples stuff.

Oh you must be talking about the Kids from Sac*****to Bl**k R*f** with their range bunnies. I had them croud me and my son a few weeks back at spenceville. Rude! didnt their daddy's teach them anything.