Does a Tavor need to be registered

[rescueswimmer]

Quick question, I have a friend that purchased a California compliant Tavor in Cali a few years ago, I just stumbled upon this whole register your bullet button AW crap you guys are going through. So my question was the Tavor required to be registered. Im not sure if he did going to call him later with the answer. Thanks

RS

[Quiet]

Quick question, I have a friend that purchased a California compliant Tavor in Cali a few years ago, I just stumbled upon this whole register your bullet button AW crap you guys are going through. So my question was the Tavor required to be registered. Im not sure if he did going to call him later with the answer. Thanks

RS

If it is configured to be "featureless" and did not have a "bullet button" style magazine lock, then no, it did not need to be registered as an assault weapon and it is still CA legal.

If it had a "bullet button" style magazine lock, then yes, it needed to be registered as an assault weapon before 07-01-2018 or modified so that it is no longer considered an assault weapon.

Starting 07-01-2018, it is illegal to possess a semi-auto centerfire rifle with a "bullet button" style magazine lock and restricted features. [PC 30605(a)]

Since the assault weapons registration window is closed, the only current legal option is to surrender it to law enforcement for destruction or render it permanently inoperable. Legally, modifying it to be a non-assault weapon had to take place before 07-01-2018 (however, burden of proof on when this occurred is on the State).

[Lonestargrizzly]

A little too late, sir.

[edgerly779]

yep late to the party

[rescueswimmer]

So he can still ship it back to a FFL out of state to remove it from Cali, if he has not already registered it?

[crosseyedshooter]

Only non-registration option for Tavor since July 1, 2018, is featureless as I can't imagine any type of fixed magazine solution would work.

The key change to featureless is 30" minimum overall length is now measured without the removable muzzle device. On a Tavor, that means the featureless muzzle brake used to meet the 30" overall length must be permanently attached via pin/weld. That, plus grip wrap/fin, would make a Tavor featureless and legal to own/possess in CA.

In the mean time, the penal code also states a disassembled, non-functioning, rifle is not considered an assault weapon. If your friend wants to fully comply with the current laws, he can remove the bolt from his Tavor until he gets a 4" muzzle brake permanently attached.

[rescueswimmer]

To get this correct. Like I said I'm trying to get all the info for him as he is not a gun guy, and may not have registered it like what appears lots of people in CA did not. He would need to add some type of grip/fin to remove the pistol grip, and have the muzzle brake pinned and welded then it would be featureless then not subject to the Registration? Thanks

[boopiejones]

To get this correct. Like I said I'm trying to get all the info for him as he is not a gun guy, and may not have registered it like what appears lots of people in CA did not. He would need to add some type of grip/fin to remove the pistol grip, and have the muzzle brake pinned and welded then it would be featureless then not subject to the Registration? Thanks

It can not have any “evil features” - pistol grip, flash hider, forward grip, grenade launcher, etc

Many people use kydex grip fins to eliminate the pistol grip.

No requirement that the brake be pinned and welded. But it needs to be a brake (not a flash hider).

As a semi-serious side question... what he heck is your “not a gun guy” friend doing with a Tavor? Most of my “not gun guy” friends have big 5 shotguns or maybe a Glock. Certainly not a tavor.

[rescueswimmer]

Well when I say not a gun guy I mean he only has a few. IIRC he has a Glock pistol, a shotgun and wanted an AR style rifle and went with the TAVOR. I helped him source the Tavor a few years ago and being over here in Illinoisatahn, and our waiting periods just changing, something popped up about your registration, and it got me thinking. He works the night shift so I sent a message but had not heard back so I figured Id get as much info for him before I talked to him guessing he was not up to date on this registration BS.

[tonyxcom]

No requirement that the brake be pinned and welded. But it needs to be a brake (not a flash hider).

They in fact do have to be pinned now in order for it to count towards 30".

[Quiet]

They in fact do have to be pinned now in order for it to count towards 30".

Here's some more confusion...

As of 07-11-2018, because CA DOJ BOF withdrew changes to AW regulations to make them apply to enforcement...

Measuring overall length to determine if a semi-auto centerfire rifle is an AW, may no longer require muzzle devices to be permanently attached.

The AW regulations that required permanent attachment only applied to AW registration and not to AW enforcement.

So, it appears, that muzzle devices no longer have to be permanently attached on semi-auto centerfire rifles when measuring overall length to see if it is 30" or greater.
^Goes back to CA case laws [People v Rooney, People v Stinson] on measuring overall length.

[tonyxcom]

Yes indeed. Is there some kind of time limit before they can resubmit them or are we potentially in limbo regarding this and a few other key decisions?

[unusedusername]

Yes indeed. Is there some kind of time limit before they can resubmit them or are we potentially in limbo regarding this and a few other key decisions?

An agency can submit new regulations to OAL for consideration at any time. Only regulations that have been considered can gain the force of law.

The only constant in California firearms law is that it is constantly changing.

[xxINKxx]

Here's some more confusion...

As of 07-11-2018, because CA DOJ BOF withdrew changes to AW regulations to make them apply to enforcement...

Measuring overall length to determine if a semi-auto centerfire rifle is an AW, may no longer require muzzle devices to be permanently attached.

The AW regulations that required permanent attachment only applied to AW registration and not to AW enforcement.

So, it appears, that muzzle devices no longer have to be permanently attached on semi-auto centerfire rifles when measuring overall length to see if it is 30" or greater.
^Goes back to CA case laws [People v Rooney, People v Stinson] on measuring overall length.

This actually makes it easier for people to comply with the law. As anyone with a bull pup would have to find someone who specializes in pinning/welding. Now you can just order the parts and do it at home.

[hmvan]

Now you can just order the parts and do it at home.

Until they pass legislation that makes ordering gun parts illegal...welcome to the new normal.




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