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  • #2
    tradecraft
    Veteran Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 4630

    We know.
    Link to my feedback: https://www.calguns.net/forum/market...ser-tradecraft

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    • #3
      meno377
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      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Jul 2013
      • 4911

      Aside from a legal manner, it's not in your best interest for self defense, unless you have a proven load that has never failed you before. Factory loads are more likely reliable than reloads.
      Originally posted by Fjold
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      • #4
        Lonestargrizzly not a Cabinetguy
        Calguns Addict
        • Dec 2015
        • 6504

        My HD shotgun ammo i made myself uses rusty nails and poisoned nails as the projectiles.
        And I havent been sued yet.

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        • #5
          200Apples
          -DVC- Mojave Lever Crew
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Dec 2011
          • 7217

          ^ ^ ^ OK. lol. Right.


          Factory loads are more likely reliable than reloads.
          Not true. Handloads, when assembled according to the book exhibit more-consistent ballistics than do machine-made ammunition.

          As for how one would appear in court? If I have to defend myself against a two-legged predator I'm not going to worry about using a .44 Special load using a 250-grain lead semi-wadcutter travelling 1000 fps... when a commercially-loaded .44 Magnum is a typically a 240-grain jacketed hollow- or semi-jacketed flat-point travelling at least 1200...

          What I would be most concerned with in defense of my case are the circumstances that lead to the shooting.

          Not concerned at all about the ammunition, but lonestargrizz might be about his. lulz.
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          • #6
            phonso302
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2013
            • 659

            How could one prove what ammo was in the gun prior to the shooting? I have a reloading set up in my home and store bought s-d ammo in my guns.

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            • #7
              Win231
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2015
              • 2099

              I'll go with legal experts who say reloads for that purpose are a bad idea.

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              • #8
                Bainter1212
                Calguns Addict
                • Feb 2013
                • 5936

                If you used all the same headstamps.....how would they know if it was reloads or not?

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                • #9
                  boopiejones
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2014
                  • 2044

                  I think reloads are a bad idea for self defense. I can hear the jury now:

                  If you make the reloads lighter recoil than a factory load, it’s because you wanted to get more shots on target, in less time = more deadly.

                  If you make the loads heavier than factory, you wanted each single bullet to do more damage = more deadly.

                  If you make them identical to factory specs, why bother?
                  my Benitez goes to 11

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                  • #10
                    dustoff31
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 8209

                    Are there any confirmed cases of someone being convicted of murder/manslaughter/etc., because they used reloads in a legitimate self defense shooting? Any at all? Just one?
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                    • #11
                      alpha_romeo_XV
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jun 2006
                      • 3035

                      The article linked by the OP is mostly concerned with hollow point ammo. The idea that only reloaders can create HD hollow points is very false.
                      As an "expert witness" trying to be relevant he did not impress me.
                      One of the most traumatic gunshot wounds has long been known to be from 12 gauge buck shot. And Uncle Joe gave us the OK for that.

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                      • #12
                        Citadelgrad87
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 16924

                        Originally posted by dustoff31
                        Are there any confirmed cases of someone being convicted of murder/manslaughter/etc., because they used reloads in a legitimate self defense shooting? Any at all? Just one?
                        Originally posted by tony270
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                        • #13
                          Citadelgrad87
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 16924

                          Originally posted by tony270
                          It's easy to be a keyboard warrior, you would melt like wax in front of me, you wouldn't be able to move your lips.
                          Originally posted by repubconserv
                          Print it out and frame it for all I care
                          Originally posted by el chivo
                          I don't need to think at all..
                          Originally posted by pjsig
                          You are talking to someone who already won this lame conversation, not a brick a wall. Too bad you don't realize it.
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                          • #14
                            RickD427
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                            • Jan 2007
                            • 9266

                            Originally posted by phonso302
                            How could one prove what ammo was in the gun prior to the shooting? I have a reloading set up in my home and store bought s-d ammo in my guns.
                            I can't think of the issue ever coming up in a criminal trial.

                            In a civil trial, it's quite easy for the plaintiff's attorney to prove. He/she delivers you an interrogatory or request for admissions before the trial (which you're required to respond to) or they ask you the question on direct examination. The civil process ain't too friendly to folks who try to conceal or falsify information.
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                            • #15
                              trackcage
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2015
                              • 1777

                              I've considered mimicking HD/SD loads with the same bullet, etc. for cheaper practice since most range/plinking ammo is a little soft and does not prove your gun will properly function with hollow points, etc. But for primetime, I've always used factory.

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