Is there a 2018 CA "AW" Flowchart Guide?

[Rivers]

I'm looking for a flowchart like what CalGuns had years ago that will help me to decide whether I must register any given AR or AK or AR pistol (purchased via SSE), or how I should modify that firearm to avoid further interactions with the CA DOJ. Anybody know where to find such a flowchart?

[jgarden]

Is it a firearm > Does it shoot bullets > it's probably illegal in CA.

[boopiejones]

It’s at the top of the homepage. http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

[Mustard]

Unless I'm missing something, that flowchart does not cover what must be registered?

Isn't EVERYTHING supposed to be registered?

[Cokebottle]

The features that define an AW have not changed.
What has changed is the bullet button is no longer an acceptable compliance device due to the language change from "able to accept a detachable magazine" to "without a fixed magazine" and the new definition of "fixed magazine"

The only change to the new law is what type of magazine lock creates a compliant configuration. Featureless is unaffected.

As for what must be registered, anything that WAS legal and had a bullet button in 2016 must be registered as a BBRAW before July 1, removed from the state, or converted to featureless.

[Cokebottle]

Unless I'm missing something, that flowchart does not cover what must be registered?

It never did... given that the registration window for named and SB23 assault weapons closed about 8 years before the flowchart was created.

Isn't EVERYTHING supposed to be registered?

????? Do not confuse the types of registration.
There is a BIG difference between DROS registration that occurs during purchase/transfer and AW registration.
Long guns transferred prior to 2014 are not registered and are not required to be registered.
Handguns transferred prior to 1991 (1998 for intrafamilial) are not registered and are not required to be registered.
80% builds must be registered prior to Jan 1 2019.

Assault weapon registration is completely different from all of the above.

[Mustard]

So a store bought lower built into a featureless (and shall forevermore be featureless in this state, subject to standard legislative cycles) is not subject to registration?

[Cokebottle]

So a store bought lower built into a featureless (and shall forevermore be featureless in this state, subject to standard legislative cycles) is not subject to registration?

Nothing beyond the DROS, which will register it to you as a "long gun", same as if you were to buy a Ruger 10/22

[d33pt]

One thing I'd like to clarify. A formerly BB'ed AR purchased years ago, and converted to featureless years ago with a standard mag release, can stay that way right? No further action needed?

[beanz2]

[Cokebottle]

One thing I'd like to clarify. A formerly BB'ed AR purchased years ago, and converted to featureless years ago with a standard mag release, can stay that way right? No further action needed?

Correct.
If it has no SB23 features, it does not fit the classification of "AW" and is not eligible for registration.

[Mustard]

Nothing beyond the DROS, which will register it to you as a "long gun", same as if you were to buy a Ruger 10/22

Man, all these different flavors of registration all taste like ****.... there's dros registration, long gun registration (which comes as a by product of doing business through the ffl?), AW registration, and 80% registration.

Not even trying to talk about pistol nuances

[BrassCase]

What really chaffs me about this is that the DOJ isn't trying to educate the public about the new laws. THEY should be producing flowcharts, NOT CAL GUNS! I know a firearms examiner in a local DA's office. That person told me that the jurisdictions in the county have to come to the crime lab firearm examiner to figure out if a gun is legal or not when a question arises. I was also told that "Oh yeah, the new laws are very confusing. But the DOJ is coming around to the crime labs and others to school us on the new laws".


Hey DOJ: What about us!


If the law is so confusing that the LEO's in a city or county that they can't determine if something is legal or illegal and they have to have highly trained experts in each county or large city that have been specifically educated to be able to try and make a determination about a firearms legality, then how in the hell is the public supposed to be able to do so?


If the state wants to save some money they should educate the public which should save them prosecutorial time & money, LEO time & money and inmate housing. Instead they leave it to Cal Guns. BTW, my friend confirmed that they use the flowchart and read Cal Guns.

[Librarian]

What really chaffs me about this is that the DOJ isn't trying to educate the public about the new laws. THEY should be producing flowcharts, NOT CAL GUNS! I know a firearms examiner in a local DA's office. That person told me that the jurisdictions in the county have to come to the crime lab firearm examiner to figure out if a gun is legal or not when a question arises. I was also told that "Oh yeah, the new laws are very confusing. But the DOJ is coming around to the crime labs and others to school us on the new laws".


Hey DOJ: What about us!


If the law is so confusing that the LEO's in a city or county that they can't determine if something is legal or illegal and they have to have highly trained experts in each county or large city that have been specifically educated to be able to try and make a determination about a firearms legality, then how in the hell is the public supposed to be able to do so?


If the state wants to save some money they should educate the public which should save them prosecutorial time & money, LEO time & money and inmate housing. Instead they leave it to Cal Guns. BTW, my friend confirmed that they use the flowchart and read Cal Guns.

[Cokebottle]

Man, all these different flavors of registration all taste like ****.... there's dros registration, long gun registration (which comes as a by product of doing business through the ffl?), AW registration, and 80% registration.

Not even trying to talk about pistol nuances

Pistol and long gun registration have been identical since 2014.
The only differences are that long guns can still be transferred between parent/child, and C&R long guns can still be transferred between C&R holders via paper transfer without involving an 01FFL (in the latter case, the 03FFL is the involved FFL).
All handgun transfers must go through an 01FFL, which is silly, because with my 03FFL I can drive to Arizona and purchase a C&R handgun (I do have to register it when I return).

DROS registration is "long gun registration" as well as handgun registration... it's the Dealer Record of Sale that is submitted to the state, and they transfer that information into AFS. This applies to dealer purchases, transfers, and PPT.