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  • mecam
    Veteran Member
    • Jun 2007
    • 4049

    More anti-gun crap from SFGATE.



    If history repeats itself, the fatal shootings of four Oakland police officers on Saturday afternoon will become the next benchmark in the national debate on a federal law to ban assault weapons.

    If there is a grain of hope to be gathered from a loss so tragic, it's that last weekend's horrific events will help end the debate on an unresolved policy issue that has resulted in thousands of deaths and helped sustain veritable demilitarized zones in some of our nation's largest cities.

    In Oakland, a city already struggling with high crime and gun violence, the deaths of two officers gunned down with an AK-47 qualify city officials to lend their voices to any national debate on the issue.

    While the tragedy in Oakland lacks the scale of the shootings at Virginia Tech in 2007 and Columbine High School nearly a decade ago, the deaths of four officers in a single incident is a significant event that sends shock waves across the nation.

    The use of the deadly weapons - which can fire hundreds of rounds per minute - has become an all-too-familiar feature in the gun violence being played out.

    Frank Rose, a community activist who chairs two citizens advisory committees in his East Oakland neighborhood, witnessed the results of such an attack no more than two weeks ago.

    Rose watched in utter disbelief as a car drove to the front door of the Oakland Police Department substation at the Eastmont Mall as he sat outside waiting to attend a community meeting.

    "The driver jumped out of the car, and the passenger just kinda fell out and crawled around the side of the car," he said.

    The driver pounded on the front door until a police officer answered. He immediately came out to help the wounded man.

    When Rose stepped from his car to take a closer look, he saw a body motionless in the backseat - and matching bullet holes on both sides of the vehicle.

    "How in the world did this happen?" Rose, 70, later asked an officer.
    "The guns they got on the street now, Frank, you wouldn't believe it," the officer replied.

    Oakland City Council President Jane Brunner said she will seek support from colleagues to pass a resolution calling for federal assistance in finding ways to remove the deadly weapons that leave officers outgunned.
    "We don't want officers facing guns they cannot protect themselves from," Brunner said.

    Former state Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata, who wrote a state law in 1999 that banned sale of the weapons, said President Obama's case to seek a federal ban on a wide array of automatic weapons is only strengthened when they are misused in such horrific ways.

    "Maybe this will be enough to rally the California delegation to ask the federal government for help," Perata said. He cautioned that gun control laws remain a hot-button issue in suburban enclaves and rural communities in California and across the nation.

    "With a Democratic administration and Congress, there is little political threat, and who knows when we're going to have an opportunity like this again?" he said.

    For Perata, it's a question that was asked and answered in his mind more than 20 years ago when he proposed similar legislation as an Alameda supervisor.

    "There is a big difference between taking someone's handgun away and taking away an AK-47," Perata said. "They didn't want to ban .50-caliber guns either, but these are weapons of war with no application in civilian life."

    In anticipation of the new White House administration's tough stance on assault weapons, gun dealers, advocates and manufacturers reported significant sales increases in handguns, rifles and ammunition soon after Obama's election.

    In the Washington office of U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a spokesman said the California Democrat had received many calls about the shooting in Oakland. Feinstein helped craft legislation that banned the sale of assault weapons, but that ban ended in 2004.

    Callers have encouraged Feinstein to sponsor tough new anti-gun laws, said Gil Duran, a press spokesman. But, he said, Feinstein believes it's appropriate to honor the families' mourning period before she proposes new gun legislation.

    "Right now she is mourning with them," Duran said of the officers' family members.

    As we wait to see what Feinstein does, Brunner has taken a good first step in asking her colleagues to help pass a resolution to call for stricter gun laws.

    Oakland, its residents and leaders would be remiss if they did not use their voice and experience to pressure federal legislators for more gun regulation.

    Chip Johnson's column appears on Tuesdays and Fridays. E-mail him at chjohnson@sfchronicle.com.

    This article appeared on page B - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle
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  • #2
    mk3mitch
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 707

    The guns they got on the street now, Frank, you wouldn't believe it," the officer replied.


    Weird, considering ARs,AKs,MAC pistols,etc. have been on the street for forty years

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    • #3
      UBFRAGD
      Banned
      • Aug 2007
      • 2701

      "If there is a grain of hope to be gathered from a loss so tragic, it's that last weekend's horrific events will help end the debate on an unresolved policy issue that has resulted in thousands of deaths and helped sustain veritable demilitarized zones in some of our nation's largest cities. "

      That is a well written paragraph. The fact that it smells like a clogged sewage system does not detract from the writers' ability.
      Rebuttal:
      1: The unresolved policy issue was actually resolved by the passage of the 2nd Amendment and the facts have not changed since then.
      2: Veritable demilitarized zones do not exist in America outside of a military base. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I've been all over this country and always look forward to going to so-called hot-spots, I am always dissapointed, because while I might find poverty, drug abuse, crime, and crumbling infrastructure, I have never seen one ****ing gun. Contrast that with my recent trip to Mexico--in the cities, the military drives around in jeeps, trucks, and suv's with rifles and MG's pointed out the windows, and in the rural areas, the campesinos will let you know where you stand by lifting the shirt to reveal a revolver IWB.
      3: The statistics need to be brought to light regarding the percentage of guns used in crimes that are not in legal possesion by the criminal. Thousands of deaths are not caused by legally owned firearms.

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      • #4
        UBFRAGD
        Banned
        • Aug 2007
        • 2701

        Once again, I am going to throw the biggest party when The Chron goes under. A newspaper with no news should already join the dinosaurs. I can't believe it when I see people paying for such bare agenda-driven opinion writing.

        I celebrate every announcement of failure of this crap newspaper. I purposefully never surf over to the internet incarnation of this hard-left America-hating rag in case my visit would be construed as some kind of support for radical marxist/fascist agenda.

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        • #5
          UBFRAGD
          Banned
          • Aug 2007
          • 2701

          I believe The Onion is more widely read than The Chron. Hahahahaha........

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          • #6
            swerv512
            Veteran Member
            • Mar 2006
            • 3076

            Originally posted by UBFRAGD
            I believe The Onion is more widely read than The Chron. Hahahahaha........
            the back pages of the weekly or guardian definitely get more views that the chronicle...

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            • #7
              MAC USMC
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2009
              • 1020

              The frenzy to ban guns - eventually all guns - will soon begin. God bless those four Oakland police officers. Their deaths were senseless. The felon-on-parole committed numerous crimes by possessing a firearm, regardless of the type. Why was he out of prison? Who authorized his release? Who was monitoring him outside? That type of review is order, but will not occur.

              Liberals do not get it. Crooks do not obey laws because that is their avocation. Citizen gun-owners are generally law-abidding and responsible individuals. Liberals lump all of us in with felon law-breakers which utter nonsense and irresponsible politics. The courts do not prosecute many weapon violations/crimes as they should, preferring to drop charges when lawyers plea bargain them into a vapor to expedite the case through the courts. BUT, you and me, Pal, that is another story.

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              • #8
                QuarterBoreGunner
                Administrator
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2005
                • 9389

                Chip Johnson is a... sloppy reporter and I've called him on it several times. He resorts to cheap populism to get page views and that stinks.
                /Chris

                I have a perfect Burning Man attendance record: zero.

                You do know there are more guns in the country than there are in the city.
                Everyone and their mums is packin' round here!
                Like who?
                Farmers.
                Who else?
                Farmers' mums.

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                • #9
                  dadoody
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 14692

                  I thought I read that an SKS was used. Those don't pump thousands of rounds.

                  And police (patrol cops) are "outgunned" when they face a felon with ANY kind of rifle.
                  FUS RO DAH! ==== ┻━┻

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                  • #10
                    Omega13device
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 1943

                    The SWAT team is outgunned? I hardly think so.

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                    • #11
                      swerv512
                      Veteran Member
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 3076

                      Originally posted by Omega13device
                      The SWAT team is underfunded and undertrained? I think so.
                      fixed...

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