Trophy shop ?

[tonyt22]

So I'm getting on mix the info here some guys are saying I can take my 80% lower (already finished) to a trophy shop for engraving as long as I'm there the whole time while others are saying it has to be ffl only and a few ffl shops I called won't touch it with out a doj letter and their s/n

[ar15barrels]

If you stay with the receiver while the work is completed, an FFL is not required.
If you leave the receiver with them, an FFL is required.

So, you need to arrange a time where they will do the engraving while you wait.

Here is the exact wording that the DOJ includes when they issue a serial number:

Upon receipt of this serial number(s), you may contact a Federal Firearms Licensed Manufacturer (type 07) to have your Department issued serial number applied in a manner consistent with the requirements outlined in the California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5474.2.

A Federal Firearms Licensee is under no obligation to perform this work. A person that has manufactured their own firearm may also use non licensed parties to apply the serial number and other required markings, however, the owner of the weapon must not leave the firearm unattended with an unlicensed party because of firearm transfer and/or lending laws.

(Emphasis added to the part that applies here.)

[tonyt22]

Thanks going to set a appointment for Monday

[Joefear7]

I still hear alot of debate on the whole serial number thing. Some say of you already put your own serial number on it you don't need to get one from the DOJ . Some say that if you do that you have to volreg it . Some say no you have to get a DOJ serial. Any good threads on this?

[tonyt22]

Yea that's were I'm stuck I don't mind volreg just don't want to stamp it twice and waste money

[Simi762]

I still hear alot of debate on the whole serial number thing. Some say of you already put your own serial number on it you don't need to get one from the DOJ . Some say that if you do that you have to volreg it . Some say no you have to get a DOJ serial. Any good threads on this?

VC Tactical stated pre and post 7/18 everything needs to be registered for 80% lowers.

[Joefear7]

VC Tactical is what?

[ar15barrels]

I still hear alot of debate on the whole serial number thing. Some say of you already put your own serial number on it you don't need to get one from the DOJ . Some say that if you do that you have to volreg it . Some say no you have to get a DOJ serial. Any good threads on this?

Volreg before 7/1/18 is the solution for NON-AW's.
This means fixed magazine or featureless builds.
If you are AW registering, then you will need an FMBUS number regardless of if you already have your own serial number.

This is well covered in the big 80% thread here:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1266636

[ar15barrels]

VC Tactical stated pre and post 7/18 everything needs to be registered for 80% lowers.

All firearms built by legitimate licensed manufacturers after 1968 require serial numbers.

The new law in CA simply requires the self-built firearms to have their own serial numbers and be in a central registry.
You can use your own serial number on non-assault weapons if you voluntarily register before 7/1/2018.
Self-built assault weapons require a serial number to be issued by California DOJ and must be registered before 7/1/2018.

Starting 7/1/2018, you have to apply for a serial number before you build a new firearm. or if you have a firearm you built before 7/1/2018 that is not already in the central registry.
Starting 1/1/2019, you can be charged with possession of an unserialized firearm if found in possession of a firearm with no serial number.

[smittty]

All firearms built by legitimate licensed manufacturers after 1968 require serial numbers.

The new law in CA simply requires the self-built firearms to have their own serial numbers and be in a central registry.
You can use your own serial number on non-assault weapons if you voluntarily register before 7/1/2018.
Self-built assault weapons require a serial number to be issued by California DOJ and must be registered before 7/1/2018.

Starting 7/1/2018, you have to apply for a serial number before you build a new firearm. or if you have a firearm you built before 7/1/2018 that is not already in the central registry.
Starting 1/1/2019, you can be charged with possession of an unserialized firearm if found in possession of a firearm with no serial number.

You need to have completed your build before 7/1/2018, however, you don't need to have it registered by that date.

You need to have your "application to register" mailed before end of this year, not before 7/1/2018.

Currently, it's taking roughly 6 months for applications to get letters from DOJ.

I mailed my application in November 2017 and just got the DOJ approval letter 2 weeks ago.

[ar15barrels]

You need to have completed your build before 7/1/2018, however, you don't need to have it registered by that date.

You need to have your "application to register" mailed before end of this year, not before 7/1/2018.

The deadline for Volreg with your own serial number is 7/1/2018.
After that, you can only go the FMBUS route.
You have until the end of 2018 for the FMUS route.
You don't need to have your acceptance letter back to have complied with the requirements.

[tonyt22]

I just need one registered probably gunna submit online next week

[Cokebottle]

I still hear alot of debate on the whole serial number thing. Some say of you already put your own serial number on it you don't need to get one from the DOJ . Some say that if you do that you have to volreg it . Some say no you have to get a DOJ serial. Any good threads on this?

If you intend to register as an AW, you need a DOJ-assigned serial number.
If not, you are good running a VolReg using your own serial number.
Either must be completed before July 1.
After July 1, AW registration is off the table, and home-builds will be required to have a DOJ-issued serial number.

[Joefear7]

Ok how does this affect 80% pistols that were built in the past?still volreg?

[ar15barrels]

Ok how does this affect 80% pistols that were built in the past?still volreg?

The same.
If it's an AW, you have to AW reg before 7/1/18.
If it's not an AW, you can volreg using your own serial number before 7/1/18 or you can get sn FMBUS serial number after 7/1/2018 and submit photos and register it before 2019.