Can a FFL do this?

[truthseeker]

Can a CA FFL purchase handguns NOT on the "safe list" and then sell them via PPT to a CA law abiding citizen?

[B Strong]

Can a CA FFL purchase handguns NOT on the "safe list" and then sell them via PPT to a CA law abiding citizen?

No.

A CA. FFL can take in handguns (not on the safe list) on consignment from private parties and sell them, but he can't sell handguns from inventory that aren't on the safe list.

[SoCal50Lover]

I gotta admit, That's a good question.

[CSACANNONEER]

Yes they can but, if they do it in such a way that it even appears that they are trying to circumvent the list, DOJ might have a problem with it. If the FFL buys a non rostered handgun and, lets say, after a year, he decides to sell it, I don't think there would be any problem. If it happened with any regularity or frequency, I bet he would probably end up going through a detailed audit.

[4D5auto]

So, someone from out of state comes in and consigns a non list gun to sell, that dealer may then sell it in CA?

[slick_711]

Got me thinking on this one. If the FFL purchases non rostered, talking already in state, as a ppt, their 01 should allow to sell again...right he's licensed as a dealer... or is there a condition against it?

If the FFL purchases it as a consignment/ppt, yes. If the FFL purchases it outright they may not resell it in CA to anyone other than LEOs.

Can a CA FFL purchase handguns NOT on the "safe list" and then sell them via PPT to a CA law abiding citizen?

Not a chance. The "FFL" is a dealer not a private party, by definition he cannot take part in a PPT. The "FFL" may not sell the non-rostered gun even to "himself" for it to later be PPT'd.

Yes they can but, if they do it in such a way that it even appears that they are trying to circumvent the list, DOJ might have a problem with it. If the FFL buys a non rostered handgun and, lets say, after a year, he decides to sell it, I don't think there would be any problem. If it happened with any regularity or frequency, I bet he would probably end up going through a detailed audit.

"They" if you mean the holder of the FFL, cannot buy it. The FFL/dealer/store may buy non rostered guns and have them as dealer stock, but the FFL holder may not sell those handguns to civilians, to include himself or his employees.

[technique]

you can't PPT from a gunstore. Its an FFL not a private party.

[ChuckBooty]

I just had this come up w/ my FFL. Basically the FFL has to transfer it and DROS it to a "friendly" LEO and then DROS and transfer to you (from the LEO). Takes 21 days.

[old-trapper]

anybody know a "friendly LEO buisness around here I could save a bundle....LOL

[Sig357]

A little off topic:

I recently tried to do a PPT for my P22. Even though I had the certificate from Walther/Smith that it had been mad Cali. legal, it still came up as an AW. So the transfer could not be done to the PP. The FFL took the P22 as a purchase and it is still sitting in their shop (in the back of course)

I believe they are still having trouble with the DOJ to get this cleared. I am glad I got rid of it, I don't need that kind of trouble, even with the certificate that it was made Cali. legal.

[hoffmang]

Consignment, yes.

Personal inventory - the FFL has to wait 1 year.

-Gene

[dustoff31]

Consignment, yes.

Personal inventory - the FFL has to wait 1 year.

-Gene

In the case of an FFL transferring the handgun to his personal collection, could/would DOJ claim that the FFL has no exemption in his personal capacity? Or are they in fact exempt?

[FortCourageArmory]

If the FFL purchases it as a consignment/ppt, yes. If the FFL purchases it outright they may not resell it in CA to anyone other than LEOs.

Not a chance. The "FFL" is a dealer not a private party, by definition he cannot take part in a PPT. The "FFL" may not sell the non-rostered gun even to "himself" for it to later be PPT'd.

"They" if you mean the holder of the FFL, cannot buy it. The FFL/dealer/store may buy non rostered guns and have them as dealer stock, but the FFL holder may not sell those handguns to civilians, to include himself or his employees.

Not quite true. The DOJ has said that I may register a non-roster handgun to myself as an exception if I have no intent to sell it to another party. I would think the 1 year rule would apply at that point. Meaning I would probably need to keep said gun for 1 year before I could sell it.