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  • Discogodfather
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    • Feb 2010
    • 5516

    Bizarre Reuters Article on Guns in regards to "self harm" and suicide

    Bloomberg and the anti-gun movement is simply placing the word "gun" in any article to appear to associate major societal problems with the never-ending myth that the availability and number of guns causes those problems.

    I had to reread this article 3 times to disseminate it's contents:

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    Actual Study

    At first glance, it seems like the article is saying that a study found that guns are tied to suicides, implying that the gun is the cause of suicides. This is a key problem with the anti-gun narrative- the failure to logically or factually tie the presence of a gun with the actual act of suicide, meaning the gun "creates" the suicide. It doesn't hold up under logical analysis, nor has it ever been proven in any study. Yet this is the premise more anti-gun people have- that without the gun the person would NOT have the opportunity to commit suicide and therefore would not do it.

    So this article has nothing to do with that premise and the study doesn't really have anything to do with it either, yet it's presented that way.

    Basically, the article tried to paint the narrative that teens that "self-harm" without suicidal intent go on to commit suicide with guns IF they used a gun to "self harm" initially at some kind of astronomical rate.

    They followed 32,000 patients from age 12-24. These patients had "self harmed" at one point, and 1% of those patients used a firearm to "self harm" without suicidal intent. That means that of 32,000 patients, 320 used a firearm to self harm. This is hard to even imagine, but these patients apparently shot themselves (in the foot???) in an attempt to harm themselves without suicidal intent.

    So 320 people shot themselves in the foot or hand I guess non-fatally and without any suicidal attempt. The study then claims that of those 320 who shot themselves, those people are 35 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun over the next year.

    The actual number of suicides in that study is about 90 people per 32,000. Roughly 50% of those suicides were with guns, so 45 people.

    Of those 45 people, 35% of them had shot themselves with a gun in the previous year non fatally without suicidal intent. So roughly 16 people that had shot themselves with a firearm went on then commit suicide with a firearm.

    The study is excellent and it's completely legit, it draws conclusions that self-harm teens are much more likely to commit suicide than those that don't, and it's a perfectly valid and logical study.

    The anti-gunners then take this study, that mentions firearms very very briefly, and leads with a story that is designed to get you to believe that what happened with 16 people out of 32,000 is enough to be biased against guns and form national policy against private firearms ownership. It's so utterly disingenuous and disgusting.
    Last edited by Discogodfather; 03-20-2018, 11:12 PM.
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    onelonehorseman
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    • Oct 2012
    • 4888

    Typical progressive anti-2A propaganda.

    Disgusting, but increasingly common these days. The gun-haters know how gullible the younger generation is. I think they are emboldened to double down on this kind of crap. If the youngsters hear it enough, they will eventually believe it.

    Articles like that will be forwarded via Facebook and other popular social media outlets to millions of starry eyed millennials who will suck it up like a candy flavored vape.
    Last edited by onelonehorseman; 03-21-2018, 8:20 AM.
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      Svashtar
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      • Apr 2017
      • 936

      Originally posted by onelonehorseman
      Typical progressive anti-2A propaganda.

      Disgusting, but increasingly common these days. The gun-haters know how gullible the younger generation is. I think they are emboldened to double down on this kind of crap. If the youngsters hear it enough, they will eventually believe it.

      Articles like that will be forwarded via Facebook and other popular social media outlets to millions of starry eyed millennials who will suck it up like a candy flavored vape.
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