Trump Bans Bumpstocks...

[GW]

I'd be curious to know...

1) How many of you oppose abortion and if so, why? Is the right to life more important for an unborn child than it is for a living one?
Your question is a strawman. ALL have the right to life. Those poor kids that died at the hand of that loser did not deserve that fate. Let me ask you a question: What crime did the unborn baby commit to deserve death?

2) How many of you have lost loved ones in a mass shooting? Would your attitude be different if one of the dead kids was yours? I've lost no one to mass shooting, would it change my attitude towards guns? No. I know who is to blame for mass shootings and it is not an inanimate object

3) Why hasn't anyone talked about more thorough background checks so that idiots like Cruz are less likely to fall through the cracks?
Cruz would have passed the most stringent background check because NO ONE REPORTED him in any meaningful manner. Police, Sheriff, CPS, FBI and the school ALL dropped the ball.

There's what, over 100 people dead in mass shootings made possible by your beloved ARs and all you seem to be able to think about is your rights and your range toys. Not a word about the dead? Not even prayers? Our prayers and sympathies are always for the children and their families and friends. As I said before, they did not deserve to die. However, our sympathy and our prayers are regularly mocked by liberals

I agree that it's not the gun, it's the shooter, And yet you go on to blame the gun and all of us who own them
and that Cruz could just as easily have used another weapon, though it would have been much more difficult for him to kill 17 and injure many more with a knife. The fact remains, he shouldn't have had a gun - any gun - in the first place and especially not a semiauto. Yes, so? See above. Had any of the authorities, ANY of them done their job, the worm wouldn't have passed a background check to buy any type of firearm.

Whether you accept it or not, your "my way or the highway" attitude does not engender much sympathy for allowing private ownership of ARs. And your blaming the firearms and those of us who want our "range toys" does not engender sympathy toward your line of thinking. Are you willing to stop driving a car because drunk drivers kill so many? Are you willing to remove your penis because there are so many sexual assaults?

So here's a suggestion - do something constructive and figure out how to keep dangerous range toys out of the hands of people like Cruz.Do you mean like having the police/FBI/CPS/Schools take corrective actions and make official reports when they see a student engaged in self-destructive behavior or make threats against other people so that the NICS will refuse these types of kids when they try to buy a gun? That is a great idea. Maybe they should try that.
Seems to me like requiring the same kind of background check used in Canada for a possession and acquisition license would be a good starting point.Certainly,
but only if background checks and licenses are required to exercise First Amendment rights as well.

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[ja308]

I'd be curious to know...

1) How many of you oppose abortion and if so, why? Is the right to life more important for an unborn child than it is for a living one?

2) How many of you have lost loved ones in a mass shooting? Would your attitude be different if one of the dead kids was yours?

3) Why hasn't anyone talked about more thorough background checks so that idiots like Cruz are less likely to fall through the cracks?

There's what, over 100 people dead in mass shootings made possible by your beloved ARs and all you seem to be able to think about is your rights and your range toys. Not a word about the dead? Not even prayers?

I agree that it's not the gun, it's the shooter, and that Cruz could just as easily have used another weapon, though it would have been much more difficult for him to kill 17 and injure many more with a knife. The fact remains, he shouldn't have had a gun - any gun - in the first place and especially not a semiauto.

Whether you accept it or not, your "my way or the highway" attitude does not engender much sympathy for allowing private ownership of ARs. So here's a suggestion - do something constructive and figure out how to keep dangerous range toys out of the hands of people like Cruz. Seems to me like requiring the same kind of background check used in Canada for a possession and acquisition license would be a good starting point.

considering firearms are used about 10,000 times a day in USA to protect lives and property Kleck study 4 million yearly divided by 365 = 10958 these school shooting don't seem very drastic!We all believe any innocent person killed at the hands of another is tragic and our heart goes out to them and their families .

Of course historic murders by government's gone bad after instituting gun control is approximately 100million in about 100 years which is about 2800 deaths every day . That is cost of gun control ! So how many here have lost relatives in Cambodia,Armenia,Germany,USSR,Guatamala,commuinist china, or some other disarmed SH ?

regarding this last school murder,there were lots of opportunities for the authorities to question and pick this guy up. The ball was dropped by an FBI who is so politicized their entire focus is destroying president trump.

School shooters should be the easiest to deter and stop. In fact if it weren't for the democrat party and their love of international law and their hatred of gun ownership and police its very possible someone would have been armed and made an easy stop. Even the knowledge that people were armed would have stopped this cowardly act. Yeah we don't see any hijackers on airlines because of anonymous air Marshalls or anyone shooting up police stations !


regardless its my educated belief that even if this vile slug were disarmed of a firearm he could and would have used the easiest projectile available that would have had more people killed. Like a car or truck !
Its high time we investigate people who would do us harm and act accordingly

No offense Jack but you really should turn off TV news where every atrocity leads to the gun control solution by these vile 5 column communist's!
Talk radio has outlined many solutions and no one has concluded we use the Canadian method which eliminates firearms. BTW in Canada nearly half of burglary's are the home invasion types or they were a few years back when I read the stats!

[Lex Talionis]

Thought law enforcement have selectors for full auto and don't need bump fire.

Do you think they would ever use bump fire even without a select fire option? Who would need something that they can't effectively use tactically anyway?

[OCEquestrian]

I'd be curious to know...

1) How many of you oppose abortion and if so, why? Is the right to life more important for an unborn child than it is for a living one?

2) How many of you have lost loved ones in a mass shooting? Would your attitude be different if one of the dead kids was yours?

3) Why hasn't anyone talked about more thorough background checks so that idiots like Cruz are less likely to fall through the cracks?

There's what, over 100 people dead in mass shootings made possible by your beloved ARs and all you seem to be able to think about is your rights and your range toys. Not a word about the dead? Not even prayers?

I agree that it's not the gun, it's the shooter, and that Cruz could just as easily have used another weapon, though it would have been much more difficult for him to kill 17 and injure many more with a knife. The fact remains, he shouldn't have had a gun - any gun - in the first place and especially not a semiauto.

Whether you accept it or not, your "my way or the highway" attitude does not engender much sympathy for allowing private ownership of ARs. So here's a suggestion - do something constructive and figure out how to keep dangerous range toys out of the hands of people like Cruz. Seems to me like requiring the same kind of background check used in Canada for a possession and acquisition license would be a good starting point.

Hillary voter / hypocritical democrat / Non NRA member identified and noted.

[TMB 1]

Do you think they would ever use bump fire even without a select fire option? Who would need something that they can't effectively use tactically anyway?

How do you know it can't be effective used tactically?

If it can't be used effectively why ban it?

[steelholder]

He'll give in even more. He lied to his conservative base just get their vote (easy to influence and manipulate), next he caves in on immigration..
LULZ

[ja308]

Im not certain how to phrase these thoughts on why I blame the big international democrat controlled media for these mass murders.

However it occurred to me they(democrat Hollywood media) have the ability to paint the diabolical as valuable and worthy of honor and sympathy!

Has anyone watched the series Breaking Bad or Dexter? Ive watched both and am ashamed to say I was on my seat wanting both these evil characters to avoid detection and punishment for what they were doing.
Yeah JA wants a meth manufacterer and a brutal serial killer to escape justice!

Just saying if media Hollywood is clever enough to get me supporting the like's of Breaking Bad and Dexter. They have enough power to stop most if not all mass school murders.

Instead of the big democrat media focusing on the mindless monsters and demonizing those who actually do the killing . These vile media scum demonize and charge the NRA,while continually fighting solutions that would work .



Yeah the slob shooter who watches Ellen while cleaning off cosmoline will condemn President Trump for any action he takes or doesn't take . Thats the way big antigun media spins him/her into a mindless blob of contradictions!

Its best to remember folks these media types and the unthinking drones who parrot antigun talking points are exactly the same as those who closed eyes to every govt mass murder of civilians.

[major burnout]

We must support the ban of bumpfire stocks. We also need to ban AR triggers with pulls less than 6lbs. And bayonet lugs and of course we need to ban those shoulder things that go up. Nobody needs any of those things.

[smle-man]

I'd be curious to know...


...I agree that it's not the gun, it's the shooter, and that Cruz could just as easily have used another weapon, though it would have been much more difficult for him to kill 17 and injure many more with a knife.

I don't disagree with much of what you wrote but this part caught my attention. Here's a mass knife attack in China that killed 29:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367

Evil intent will always find a way and dead is dead no matter how the wounds are inflicted. Our society has a phobia about edged weapons and even bad guys are reluctant to use them. That can change. Then what, knife bans such as Great Britain has?

[ACfixer]

He'll give in even more. He lied to his conservative base just get their vote (easy to influence and manipulate), next he caves in on immigration..
LULZ

LULZ? Are you 15 years old?

[Jimi Jah]

Trump's brains at work again. He picks low lying fruit no one cares about, sends to to DOJ that will then send it to ATF that will then send it right back to Trump.

Then he gets all the media credit for "doing something" when nothing is or will be done. Then it's sent off to Congress like CACA to die and for them to get all the blaim, if any.

Smartest man ever in the White House even though many don't realize it yet.

[Lex Talionis]

How do you know it can't be effective used tactically?

Well, I've been asking that question for awhile now. If somebody could make that case that bump fire is in fact a viable function I would be glad to hear it.

If it can't be used effectively why ban it?

Personally I don't care if it is or isn't banned. My "alamo" is standard cap / detachable mags / semi automatic fire / shall issue. It isn't something that isn't a means to defend myself under the 2nd Amendment.

[ACfixer]

Trump's brains at work again. He picks low lying fruit no one cares about, sends to to DOJ that will then send it to ATF that will then send it right back to Trump.

Then he gets all the media credit for "doing something" when nothing is or will be done. Then it's sent off to Congress like CACA to die and for them to get all the blaim, if any.

Smartest man ever in the White House even though many don't realize it yet.

This is how I'm seeing it, he's nobody's fool.

[MudCamper]

Trump Bans Bumpstocks...

Click-bait thread title. That's not what he did.

[TMB 1]

Well, I've been asking that question for awhile now. If somebody could make that case that bump fire is in fact a viable function I would be glad to hear it.

Well it does increase rate of fire, why is that not viable function? What does the military and law enforcement use auto fire for?

Personally I don't care if it is or isn't banned. My "alamo" is standard cap / detachable mags / semi automatic fire / shall issue. It isn't something that isn't a means to defend myself under the 2nd Amendment.

Why is a bump stock something that isn't a means for someone to defend themselves under the 2nd Amendment? Is the weapon you use the only weapon protected by the 2nd Amendment?