AW Shotgun question

[HK Fanboy82]

I have a Vepr12 that I purchased last year that I'm going to register as an AW.

I was reading the description about AW shotguns, and it states:

SHOTGUNS

A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
A folding or telescoping stock.
A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Does this mean I can break the folding weld on my Vepr12 once I get it registered?

Thanks!

[onelonehorseman]

"I have a Vepr12 that I purchased last year that I'm going to register as an AW."


If you purchased it last year (2017) how would you register it, since the cutoff date to own a BB'ed firearm was Dec 31, 2016?

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/bullet-button-assault-weapon

[Marauder2003]

You said ‘both of the following’ but then listed 4 items. Both implies 2 items.

[onelonehorseman]

You said ‘both of the following’ but then listed 4 items. Both implies 2 items.

It should read like this:

SHOTGUNS

A. A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
i. A folding or telescoping stock.
ii. A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.

B. A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.

C. Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

The formatting was lost when OP cut/pasted it.

[HK Fanboy82]

Oops purchase in 2016, damn time passes fast. I just wanted to know know about the folding stock portion as mine is currently welded open.


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[onelonehorseman]

Oops purchase in 2016, damn time passes fast. I just wanted to know know about the folding stock portion as mine is currently welded open.


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[Quiet]

I've opted to go featureless on my converted Saiga 12 since it already has a fixed stock any only needs a grip fin.

Although similar, CA assault weapons laws for shotguns are different than those for rifles and pistols.
^What may be legal for one category (rifle), may not be legal for another (shotgun).

Under CA laws...
A "grip fin" does nothing to change the legal status of a shotgun.

As long as the semi-auto shotgun does not have a folding/extending stock and a pistol grip or vertical grip or thumbhole stock, then it is CA legal.


If a semi-auto shotgun has a folding/extending stock and a pistol grip or vertical grip or thumbhole stock, then it is an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(6)]

If a semi-auto shotgun does not have a fixed magazine, then it is an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(7)]

These definitions are independent of each other.

Which means...
A semi-auto Saiga-12/VEPR-12 with the factory magazine release and a "grip wrap" installed is still considered an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(7)]
A semi-auto Saiga-12/VEPR-12 with a "bullet button" style magazine lock and a "grip wrap" installed is still considered an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(7)]

[SloChicken]

It should read like this:

SHOTGUNS

A. A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
i. A folding or telescoping stock.
ii. A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.

B. A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.

C. Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

The formatting was lost when OP cut/pasted it.

Punctuation is vital.


Ex. "The koala eats shoots and leaves."

Or,

"The koala eats, shoots, and leaves."

[IMG][/IMG]

[onelonehorseman]

Although similar, CA assault weapons laws for shotguns are different than those for rifles and pistols.
^What may be legal for one category (rifle), may not be legal for another (shotgun).

Under CA laws...
A "grip fin" does nothing to change the legal status of a shotgun.

As long as the semi-auto shotgun does not have a folding/extending stock and a pistol grip or vertical grip or thumbhole stock, then it is CA legal.


If a semi-auto shotgun has a folding/extending stock and a pistol grip or vertical grip or thumbhole stock, then it is an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(6)]

If a semi-auto shotgun does not have a fixed magazine, then it is an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(7)]

These definitions are independent of each other.

Which means...
A semi-auto Saiga-12/VEPR-12 with the factory magazine release and a "grip wrap" installed is still considered an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(7)]
A semi-auto Saiga-12/VEPR-12 with a "bullet button" style magazine lock and a "grip wrap" installed is still considered an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(7)]

Quiet,

Thanks for the clarification.

I'm a bit fuzzy on why a grip fin wouldn't cause a pistol grip to no longer be considered as such.

Also, are you saying that even if the semi shotgun has a fixed stock and no pistol grip, it still can't have a regular magazine release (such as an unconverted Saiga 12) without triggering AW status?

[Ubermcoupe]

...

That's an awesome Gif.

LOL

[Quiet]

Quiet,

Thanks for the clarification.

I'm a bit fuzzy on why a grip fin wouldn't cause a pistol grip to no longer be considered as such.

Also, are you saying that even if the semi shotgun has a fixed stock and no pistol grip, it still can't have a regular magazine release (such as an unconverted Saiga 12) without triggering AW status?

Correct.
Semi-auto shotgun that does not have a fixed magazine is an assault weapon, regardless of what other features it may have. [PC 30515(a)(7)]


For shotguns in CA...
1. Does the semi-auto shotgun have fixed magazine? Yes or No.
^If yes, then it is CA legal. (Continue to #2)
^If no, then it is CA illegal assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(7)]
2. Does the semi-auto shotgun have a folding/extending shoulder stock and a pistol grip or any type of vertical grip? Yes or No.
^If Yes, then it is CA illegal assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(6)]
^If no, then it is CA legal.
3. Does the (bolt-action, lever-action, pump-action, or semi-auto) shotgun have a revolving cylinder? Yes or No.
^If yes, then it is CA illegal assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(8)]
^If no, then it is CA legal.

[onelonehorseman]

Correct.
Semi-auto shotgun that does not have a fixed magazine is an assault weapon, regardless of what other features it may have. [PC 30515(a)(7)]


For shotguns in CA...
1. Does the semi-auto shotgun have fixed magazine? Yes or No.
^If yes, then it is CA legal. (Continue to #2)
^If no, then it is CA illegal assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(7)]
2. Does the semi-auto shotgun have a folding/extending shoulder stock and a pistol grip or any type of vertical grip? Yes or No.
^If Yes, then it is CA illegal assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(6)]
^If no, then it is CA legal.
3. Does the (bolt-action, lever-action, pump-action, or semi-auto) shotgun have a revolving cylinder? Yes or No.
^If yes, then it is CA illegal assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(8)]
^If no, then it is CA legal.

Well crud. I guess I either take it apart and leave it in the safe, or register it

Thanks again for the heads up.