Where is my free market?

[Odin]

Most manufactures are running tipple shifts...so that idea wont work ether...
I used to work grave yard at a machine shop...it sucks...

That is what I was wondering; Are these companies cranking out product 24-7 trying to meet the demand? If they are then it is much easier to understand why they are not perusing permanent options to boost productivity.

[Jicko]

Recently getting into (or rather trying to get into) building black rifles, all I seem to see anywhere is "OUT OF STOCK" posts and 6-24 month back orders. My question is; WHERE IS MY FREE MARKET?

Free market -> if you offers INSANE money, you will be able to get your stuff NOW. Contact me if you are prepared to do that.

[technique]

Screw Gunbroker...

You can find deals here in the FS threads or ARFcom and M4car.

I found in one day pretty much what I wanted. I got a RRA 16in middy W/O hand guards for $565 shipped. I go a tangodown battle grip for $20 shipped....

The industry is working hard to fill backlogs....they will catch up...

I haven't seen too much change, I can still get what I want..If your new to "Black Rifles" thats probly part of your problem. Just not looking in the right places...or knowing the right people.

[Odin]

.If your new to "Black Rifles" thats probly part of your problem. Just not looking in the right places...or knowing the right people.

And so I have recently joined CalGuns and am still working on my first 100 posts!

[hawk1]

And so I have recently joined CalGuns and am still working on my first 100 posts!

I have to admit about your post, it's a bit of fresh air from a newbie.
We mostly see posts 'informing' us about some bill or whatnot thats been kicked around here for months or longer before they ever heard of Calguns.

So, may I say, Welcome to Calguns!

[Odin]

Thanks for the welcome! I love it here already!

[tankerman]

http://www.jandjarmory.com/istar.asp?a=3&dept=UPPER

[AKman]

Again the argument that the machines cost too much.
That is assuming that they are running current equipment/setup at 100% capacity. As for hiring workers, since when is that a factor? You hire workers as you need them and lay them off when you don't. Unless there is some sort of gunsmithing union laws on the books... and we all see how well those work for other industries (read: auto)
So my counter, counter is:
they hire a second shift of workers to double production on current machines. no loan needed, they realize a 200% increase in production. Doubled production = doubled profit and if they are selling at the higher prices the market is fetching that would be double the 385% profit so 770% of "operations as normal" profit.
After one year of operating they have made the profits for over seven years of business as usual. If the market slows, production decreases back to supply what is demanded.

As an employer, I don't hire people to meet some peak demand knowing I will have to lay them off when the frenzy is over. We all work harder and then enjoy the extra money and time off when work slows down. Hiring also cost money; advertising, interviewing, checking references and backgrounds, the mountain of paperwork required by CA and US, and finally training. People are every bit as big of an investment as equipment, unless you're some sort of a_hole that just wants to use people to make a buck and them discard them when they are no longer needed. I also doubt that there are a lot of trained people out there that could staff a second shift while maintaining quality control. You want to ruin a business? Start turning out junk.

Finally, why should firearm manufacturers compromise their business just to satisfy a short-term demand for their product. They will already experience a substantial reduction in business when the frenzy ends and a lot of firearms find their way into the resale market. Besides, they know you will wait patiently and pay top dollar.