WAIT WHAT...CA DOJ SERIAL NUMBER WOES

[tlc559]

[Robotron2k84]

You can not legally say yes to their inquiry as building a BB'd gun in 2017 is no longer legal.

I'm going to guess that DOJ is attempting to prioritize the requests for people that already had built BB'd rifles from 80%s and legally possessed them prior to 1-1-2017. This would be so they can apply them and register before the 6-30-2018 AW deadline.

Answering no will likely place you at a point in the queue where you will receive your serial after the AW registration window is closed.

[Bullets&Whitewalls]

I didn't think you could build an assault weapon now? You can only build featureless or fixed mag so the answer would be NO

[tlc559]

I just responded saying this:

"It is an 80% lower that hasn't been milled yet to be considered an actual lower receiver. I was told by a friend to request a serial number PRIOR to doing anything to be California Compliant. I don't have the barrel or anything yet, I just wanted to make sure that I am following the law before doing anything as California gun laws are extremely confusing to the average law abiding citizen. This is what I want to build. I am trying to comply with all California state laws. As to my understanding, it is not an assault weapon until it is actually milled. I will not mill it until I get a serial number from the DOJ. Once milled it will be registered in your system as an assault weapon pursuant to AB 1135 and SB 880.
To make it 100% clear, it is NOT a stripped receiver as that is ILLEGAL. It is an 80% lower that hasn't been built yet."

I guess we'll see how they respond.

[Robotron2k84]

Again, you can not build a long gun as a currently defined BB'd AW as of 1-1-2017. You may build it as featureless or fixed mag for SACF, both of which are ineligible for registration.

A lower, stripped or unmilled is not considered an AW until features are added and a SACF upper is installed. For all they know it's using a 22 rimfire upper. You are confusing the registration with needing a serial on a home-built weapon. An 80% receiver needs a DOJ-approved serial number, as of 7-1-2018 (AB-857) regardless of how it's to be built, if I understand the legal changes properly. From 1-1-2017 on, you may only build it as featureless, or fixed mag for SACF.

The application process, as of now, is for legally possessed BB'd AWs as of 12-31-2016.

[tlc559]

Well then that's that. You think the DOJ going to raid my house now? LMAO

[AlienHobo]

I thought the DOJ won't be giving out serial numbers for NON-Assault weapons built from 80% lowers until after July 1, 2018.

[tlc559]

I thought the DOJ won't be giving out serial numbers for NON-Assault weapons built from 80% lowers until after July 1, 2018.

That's what I thought to; therefore, I am requesting one now as it is still 2017.

[Robotron2k84]

The requirement for the DOJ-assigned S/N is effective 7-1-2018 per AB-857.

[AlienHobo]

That's what I thought to; therefore, I am requesting one now as it is still 2017.

You don't need to request one. You can just put whatever you want, as long as you do it before July 1 of next year.

[tlc559]

Understood. Thank you all for your input.

It is UNBELIEVABLE that so many people (myself included) don't know about the laws here. I have heard multiple advice that state different things.

[Dirk Tungsten]

You can not legally say yes to their inquiry as building a BB'd gun in 2017 is no longer legal.

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I wonder how many people the DOJ has caught building illegal guns by asking the same question they asked the OP?

[Trriemferent]

I just responded saying this:

"It is an 80% lower that hasn't been milled yet to be considered an actual lower receiver. I was told by a friend to request a serial number PRIOR to doing anything to be California Compliant. I don't have the barrel or anything yet, I just wanted to make sure that I am following the law before doing anything as California gun laws are extremely confusing to the average law abiding citizen. This is what I want to build. I am trying to comply with all California state laws. As to my understanding, it is not an assault weapon until it is actually milled. I will not mill it until I get a serial number from the DOJ. Once milled it will be registered in your system as an assault weapon pursuant to AB 1135 and SB 880.
To make it 100% clear, it is NOT a stripped receiver as that is ILLEGAL. It is an 80% lower that hasn't been built yet."

I guess we'll see how they respond.

Is it milled or not. You start out by saying it hasnt been milled but end with it hasnt been built.

[sbo80]

not even sure how you'd apply for a pre-build number. The BOF 1008, for requesting a number seems to only make sense if the firearm is already built. It has all the fields for a complete firearm (barrel length, caliber, etc.). I don't know if they expect people to pre-fill out info they don't have yet, or if there'll be a new form post july 2018. An un-built 80% can never be made into an AW anymore, so that DOJ question was very misleading. They likely didn't understand, since what you are asking for isn't required yet, and everyone else asking is doing it so they can AW register.

edit: there's a thread in "how ca laws apply" with the same basic question. apparently DOJ told someone, in an email, "The New Serial Number Application Form – BOF 1008 is currently only being used for Firearms Manufactured By Unlicensed Subjects (FMBUS) that are to be registered as assault weapons pursuant to AB 1135 and SB 880." It's not clear if the same form, or a new form, would be used for non-AW number issuing at a later time.

[tlc559]

DOJ wrote back. You guys are correct.

"Hi *** –



Penal Code section 30900(b)(1) and California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5469 require that any person who, from January 1, 2001, to December 31, 2016, inclusive, lawfully possessed an assault weapon that does not have a fixed magazine – as defined in Penal Code section 30515, including those weapons with an ammunition feeding device that can be readily removed from the firearm with the use of a tool (commonly referred to as a bullet-button weapon) – must register the firearm before July 1, 2018.



Based on the information you provided, if you were to build a bullet button assault weapon at this time, you would be out of California compliance. You do have the option of making the firearm featureless pursuant to Penal Code section 30900(b)(1) and California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5472. If you decide to build a featureless firearm, you will still need a serial number assigned pursuant to Assembly Bill 857.



The application to request a unique serial number for a self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm, pursuant to Assembly Bill 857, is not yet available and will commence on July 1, 2018. For additional information, you may view Assembly Bill 857 on the California Legislative Information website: http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB857."

So thanks for everyone's input we are still allowed to build featureless rifles but must wait until they have a new system to request serial numbers hopefully sometime after July 1, 2018.