How Does New Ammo Law Work For Ranges?

[BMartin1776]

Lets say you don't own a gun yet and are considering buying one. You go to a range and you want to try out a gun which means you need the ammo too. Obviously you don't have ammo permit so how does that work?

Or lets just say you have your own ammo stash pre new law for SHTF, so you're done buying ammo never got a permit, but like to use range reloads. What then?

Are ppl going to have to get permits to use range ammo or NO permit where you can use the ammo at the range but CANNOT walk out the door with it? Whatever you buy at the range you have to use (I heard this somewhere don't remember where).

[TRICKSTER]

Ammo vendor permits are for the seller, not the buyer.

[heidad01]

It only means you can not mail order ammo by the crate. You can still buy at any local stores/ranges that sells ammo.

[boopiejones]

https://www.oag.ca.gov/system/files/initiatives/pdfs/15-0098%20(Firearms)_0.pdf

Top of page 16 is the exemption for ammo purchased at a range, as long as it is not removed from the range.

[ar15barrels]

NO permit where you can use the ammo at the range but CANNOT walk out the door with it?
Whatever you buy at the range you have to use.

That's supposed to be possible without having the ammo buyer card.

[Quiet]

Buyers (transferee) are not required to have an "ammo permit".
The only thing a buyer (transferee) is required to have is a valid State issued DL or ID.

Starting 01-01-2018, all transfers of ammunition needs to be done through a person with an "ammunition vendor license". [PC 30312(a)]
^An exemption to this is granted to a licensed target range/facility and the ammunition being transferred never leaves the property. [PC 30312(c)(9]

Starting 01-01-2018, all importation into CA of ammunition by a CA resident will need to be through a person with an "ammunition vendor license". [PC 30314(a)]

Starting 01-01-2018, anyone, in CA, who sells/transfers more than 500 rounds of ammuniton within a 30 day time period, will need to have an "ammunition vendor license". [PC 30342]

Starting 07-01-2019, vendors will need to conduct a DROS when transferring ammunition. [PC 30370]

[Milsurp Collector]

It only means you can not mail order ammo by the crate. You can still buy at any local stores/ranges that sells ammo.

You will still be able to order ammo online and have it delivered. It just can't be delivered directly to you, it will have to be delivered to a licensed ammo vendor who will then transfer it to you for a fee if you are not a prohibited person.

[Quiet]

... NO permit where you can use the ammo at the range but CANNOT walk out the door with it? Whatever you buy at the range you have to use (I heard this somewhere don't remember where).

see part in bold...

Penal Code 30312
(a)(1) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale of ammunition by any party shall be conducted by or processed through a licensed ammunition vendor.
(2) When neither party to an ammunition sale is a licensed ammunition vendor, the seller shall deliver the ammunition to a vendor to process the transaction. The ammunition vendor shall promptly and properly deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, if the sale is not prohibited, as if the ammunition were the vendor’s own merchandise. If the ammunition vendor cannot legally deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, the vendor shall forthwith return the ammunition to the seller. The ammunition vendor may charge the purchaser an administrative fee to process the transaction, in an amount to be set by the Department of Justice, in addition to any applicable fees that may be charged pursuant to the provisions of this title.
(b) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale, delivery, or transfer of ownership of ammunition by any party may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the seller, deliverer, or transferor, provided, however, that ammunition may be purchased or acquired over the Internet or through other means of remote ordering if a licensed ammunition vendor initially receives the ammunition and processes the transaction in compliance with this section and Article 3 (commencing with Section 30342) of Chapter 1 of Division 10 of Title 4 of this part.
(c) Subdivisions (a) and (b) shall not apply to the sale, delivery, or transfer of ammunition to any of the following:
(9) A person who purchases or receives ammunition at a target facility holding a business or other regulatory license, provided that the ammunition is at all times kept within the facility’s premises.

[BMartin1776]

Thanks for all the replies..

Quite interesting... I guess ranges will have to hire a doorman to check everyone leaving to see whether or not theyre leaving with unused ammo!

see part in bold...

Penal Code 30312shall not apply to the sale, delivery, or transfer of ammunition to any of the following:
(9)

[PyroFox79]

see part in bold...

Penal Code 30312shall not apply to the sale, delivery, or transfer of ammunition to any of the following:
(9)

Now there is a business opportunity. Wife *****ing that you have too much ammo? Come store it at the ammo store. For as little as 20 bucks a month you can rent a locker to store ammo in.

[PyroFox79]

Thanks for all the replies..

Quite interesting... I guess ranges will have to hire a doorman to check everyone leaving to see whether or not theyre leaving with unused ammo!

I highly doubt they will. Too much work. Granted most people who rent guns but don't own any will just end up shooting all of the ammo they buy anyway.

[Tommy Gun]

In the off chance police are actually checking this, am I going to get harassed if I say bring 500 reloads x 3 calibers with me to the range in 2018 or 2019??

[Walther White]

So you have to show ID after the first of the year, but what do they do with that? Do they store your info for some registry BS? Or does that not start til 7/1/19?

[Dvrjon]

In the off chance police are actually checking this, am I going to get harassed if I say bring 500 reloads x 3 calibers with me to the range in 2018 or 2019??

You can bring whatever you want. If you buy it at the range, it's supposed to stay at the range.

[Dvrjon]

So you have to show ID after the first of the year, but what do they do with that? Do they store your info for some registry BS? Or does that not start til 7/1/19?

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...ctionNum=30352

PEN 30352(a) Commencing July 1, 2019, an ammunition vendor shall not sell or otherwise transfer ownership of any ammunition without, at the time of delivery, legibly recording the following information on a form to be prescribed by the Department of Justice...
(b) Commencing July 1, 2019, an ammunition vendor shall electronically submit to the department the information required by subdivision (a) for all sales and transfers of ownership of ammunition. The department shall retain this information in a database to be known as the Ammunition Purchase Records File.

PEN 30370 (https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...ctionNum=30370.)

(a) Commencing July 1, 2019, the department shall electronically approve the purchase or transfer of ammunition through a vendor, as defined in Section 16151, except as otherwise specified. This approval shall occur at the time of purchase or transfer, prior to the purchaser or transferee taking possession of the ammunition.....