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  • Svashtar
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2017
    • 936

    CA gunlaws make no sense

    Originally posted by SkyHawk
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    "What in the world is the difference" - see, there you go trying to apply logic to CA gun laws. Don't ever make that mistake. If you just accept right now that CA gun laws exist solely to stifle the 2A rights of her citizens, then everything will make sense.
    Thank you; I think your assessment is dead on.

    As an aside, I remember distinctly when this was a free State. In the ‘60’s, depending on who you talked to, my Dad had the third or fourth largest gun collection in CA. Every day the doorbell would ring and the postman would deliver milsurp Mosin-Nagants, Mauser K98’s, SMLE’s, Garands, junky Carcanos, all sorts of revolvers, P-08’s, P-38’s, 1911’s etc., etc. You could get an NRA Excellent Garand or Carbine for $100, and an Ithaca or other 1911 for $35-$40. He had a world class collection of P-08’s, including Artillery models and two of the “American Eagle” models. He bought and sold Pythons in bulk paying $137 each, and worked as an armorer for the local PD on the side. Everyone wanted slicked up wheelguns like the Python, or S&W 27. He’d have sale days and setup 5 or 6 tables in our small house in San Jose covered in pistols, open to the public. After ‘68 he paid the $30 for an FFL, because of course the Govt said it was just for everyone’s safety and would never increase.

    I’ve been shooting since I was 7, 55 years, and in looking at all my guns and accessories legally purchased over the years I realize that several are probably illegal now, and I have to ship them out of state.

    My Father would be spinning in his grave if he saw all the crap we have to put up with thanks to the likes of Harris, Brown, and Newsom. No one thought it would come to this level, but here we are, jumping through ridiculous hoops. Two people in the same state can’t pay an FFL to transfer a gun between them.

    Mods, my apologies if this is the wrong sub-forum for my rant. I’ve just been reading up on the new laws that are taking effect (which I did vote against and work to defeat last year), and am disgusted and frankly pissed.

    I love CA otherwise, but enough is enough, and I’m doing my best to wrap things up so I can retire and move to a state that doesn’t treat the citizens who support it like inmates pounding out license plates for the Warden.
    Last edited by Svashtar; 12-10-2017, 8:37 AM.
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    Svashtar
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2017
    • 936

    Originally posted by SkyHawk
    No, there is no shipping of PPT guns, there is no shipping of consignment guns. If you want an off roster handgun that is not roster exempt, it must start and end at a single FFL, where the seller tendered it, and it cannot be shipped, not even within the state.

    "What in the world is the difference" - see, there you go trying to apply logic to CA gun laws. Don't ever make that mistake. If you just accept right now that CA gun laws exist solely to stifle the 2A rights of her citizens, then everything will make sense.
    "Civil Defense Thru Civil Disobedience; Never Disarm!"

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    • #3
      Librarian
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      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Oct 2005
      • 44650

      Wrong forum, indeed. Moved to its own thread in a less-specific forum.
      ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

      Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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      • #4
        Svashtar
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2017
        • 936

        Originally posted by Librarian
        Wrong forum, indeed. Moved to its own thread in a less-specific forum.
        Thanks for doing the thinking for me, and apologies again for the hassle; it’s been a long while since I joined, and I got lost in the number of sub forums available (so was lazy and piggy-backed it to the FFL discussion). I’ll be more careful going forward.
        Last edited by Svashtar; 12-10-2017, 8:39 AM.
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        • #5
          Fastattack
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2008
          • 1655

          California is controlled by the metro areas. The vast expanse of rural areas has no real representation.

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          • #6
            pennstater
            Veteran Member
            • Aug 2010
            • 4656

            Originally posted by Fastattack
            California is controlled by the metro areas. The vast expanse of rural areas has no real representation.
            And that is a fact. No getting around that.

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            • #7
              russ69
              Calguns Addict
              • Nov 2009
              • 9348

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              • #8
                Wordupmybrotha
                From anotha motha
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2013
                • 6965

                You've been shooting in CA for 55 years and just realizing how bad it has become?

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                • #9
                  Svashtar
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2017
                  • 936

                  Originally posted by russ69
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                  • #10
                    Svashtar
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2017
                    • 936

                    CA gunlaws make no sense

                    Originally posted by Wordupmybrotha
                    You've been shooting in CA for 55 years and just realizing how bad it has become?
                    Last edited by Svashtar; 12-11-2017, 1:35 AM.
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                    • #11
                      FalconLair
                      Veteran Member
                      • Apr 2012
                      • 3926

                      Originally posted by Svashtar
                      LOL! That’s for dang sure. Amazing how this stuff sneaks up on you. I think I’d have been better prepared if I had just moved in from a free state, but born and raised here I got kind of used to the silliness and irrationality from Sacramento. Now it’s not just shake my head silly anymore, it’s getting dangerous.
                      when i finally up and left CA after 54 years i felt a bit weird going into the LGS and buying 15,17,20 rounds mags for my firearms - odd how moving 300 miles away from my old home can make the difference between doing something illegal versus something perfect legal

                      took me over a year to finally take my AR15 in and have the bullet button removed - tried to do it myself but it looks like S&W applied some loctite on the threading and i didn't want to task myself with trying to remove it - really didn't bother me much at the range, especially when you're using 20 and 30 round magazines - wasn't that huge of an issue, but i finally had it removed

                      now, both my son and me have CCW permits, it was as simple as taking a class and putting in our paperwork with the Metro PD - in all my time in CA that would've never been possible in my county - you're treated like a criminal even though you may have a better record than some of the people they hand guns and badges to
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                      • #12
                        Lost In The Pits
                        Member
                        • Dec 2012
                        • 458

                        Water is wet. What other obvious things are there to say?
                        Escaped California 10/12/19

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                        • #13
                          Svashtar
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2017
                          • 936

                          Originally posted by FalconLair
                          when i finally up and left CA after 54 years i felt a bit weird going into the LGS and buying 15,17,20 rounds mags for my firearms - odd how moving 300 miles away from my old home can make the difference between doing something illegal versus something perfect legal

                          took me over a year to finally take my AR15 in and have the bullet button removed - tried to do it myself but it looks like S&W applied some loctite on the threading and i didn't want to task myself with trying to remove it - really didn't bother me much at the range, especially when you're using 20 and 30 round magazines - wasn't that huge of an issue, but i finally had it removed

                          now, both my son and me have CCW permits, it was as simple as taking a class and putting in our paperwork with the Metro PD - in all my time in CA that would've never been possible in my county - you're treated like a criminal even though you may have a better record than some of the people they hand guns and badges to
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                          • #14
                            Jimi Jah
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jan 2014
                            • 18707

                            My Paw would take me to shoot my Marlin .22 at Freemont Pass off Hwy 14 just north of the I-5 split in the Newhall pass. It was just outside the LA city limits and legal at that time. This was 1960.

                            My dad knew the laws, he was the head DA in the San Fernando Valley. He would buy a couple boxes of Federal .22 shorts at the local Ben Franklin in Mission Hills for a about quarter.

                            Later we had Rifle Club at Granada Hills High School. Kids would bring their M1A's to school every Thursday. No one ever blinked.

                            Yes, times and more importantly, the people have changed. California was much more like Idaho back then. Now we have all new people here and they don't like guns either.

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                            • #15
                              Milsurp Collector
                              Calguns Addict
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 5884

                              Originally posted by Svashtar
                              I’m not sure how Oregon is, I hear parts of it are pretty bad, Portland, etc., but still far better than here.
                              Portland is liberal, but the gun laws are not "pretty bad" or even a little bad. Gun laws are pretty much the same throughout Oregon, unlike California. The Oregon Legislature has preempted and occupied firearm regulation, preventing counties and cities from passing most types of firearm legislation, unlike California. So even in Portland it is shall-issue concealed carry, open carry is legal in Portland if you have an Oregon CHL (although probably not a smart thing to do with all the ex-Californians living there, one of them is going to panic and call the cops, who will politely ask you carry concealed so you don't alarm the ex-Californians), there is no "assault weapon" ban, no magazine capacity limits, no handgun roster, no waiting period, no 1 in 30 limit, suppressors are legal, SBRs are legal, machine guns are legal. Even in Portland you can conceal carry on school grounds and in the non-secure part of Portland International Airport with an Oregon CHL. Portland has some great gun shows almost monthly.




                              When it comes to guns Portland is nothing like NYC, SF, LA, or other liberal cities.

                              Now given what I have told you above, do you think what someone in California told you about Portland being "pretty bad" was accurate? There are some people in California who have never spent one minute in Portland or Oregon spreading a lot of FUD about Oregon, followed by "well, just you wait, it will be like California someday" (in the indefinite future). With no time limit how can you ever prove that person wrong? No mater how much time passes without their prediction coming true - 5, 10, 15 years - they will just keep saying "just you wait, it will happen someday".
                              Last edited by Milsurp Collector; 12-11-2017, 11:59 AM.
                              Revolvers are not pistols

                              pistol nouna handgun whose chamber is integral with the barrel
                              Calling a revolver a "pistol" is like calling a magazine a "clip", calling a shotgun a rifle, or a calling a man a woman.

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