AK's used in crime statistics

[brian01tj]

Ok, so a guy at Turners (obviously a reputable source, lol) stated that "only one legally registered AK-47 has ever been used to commit a crime and that it was by a police officer"

Can anybody put some truth to this? I can see if maybe it was the only murder done by the actual legal/registered owner. But first, crime is such a general term and plus I don't see how it could have been the first legally registered AK used in a murder whether by the owner or by someone who stole the gun.

[audihenry]

What about the NoHo shooters? IIRC, they were legal semi-autos converted illegally to full auto.

[Dr Rockso]

I think he probably meant a registered NFA full auto.

[Josh3239]

I doubt the NoHo shooters AKs were registered, I doubt they even bought them legally. Matasaraneu possibly could have, but I think both of them were felons before that big robbery.

I asked Bill about that on AR15.com and he told me that a permit for an NFA AK even for police officers is "unobtanium".

[tsname]

I doubt the NoHo shooters AKs were registered, I doubt they even bought them legally.

+1

They're criminals. Do you think they're going to obtain all of their weapons legally? Do any criminals obtain any of their weapons legally? I'll leave that as a rhetorical question.

[audihenry]

+1

They're criminals. Do you think they're going to obtain all of their weapons legally? Do any criminals obtain any of their weapons legally? I'll leave that as a rhetorical question.

Care to back it up? The fact that the weapons were semi before being converted strongly suggests they were legally acquired. If you were to go into the black market, you'd get full auto to begin with.

[tsname]

Care to back it up? The fact that the weapons were semi before being converted strongly suggests they were legally acquired. If you were to go into the black market, you'd get full auto to begin with.

Well, you've proven me wrong about that, I misread some of the earlier posts.

Going back to the OP, Turner's really isn't a great source of any information. Hell, not even gun shows from what I've overheard the last two times I've gone.

[Casual Observer]

IIRC, only two crimes have ever been committed with registered NFA weapons since 1934- one of which was committed by a peace officer.

[Dalton]

IIRC, only two crimes have ever been committed with registered NFA weapons since 1934- one of which was committed by a peace officer.

+1 to that.

[B Strong]

Ok, so a guy at Turners (obviously a reputable source, lol) stated that "only one legally registered AK-47 has ever been used to commit a crime and that it was by a police officer"
Can anybody put some truth to this? I can see if maybe it was the only murder done by the actual legal/registered owner. But first, crime is such a general term and plus I don't see how it could have been the first legally registered AK used in a murder whether by the owner or by someone who stole the gun.

It wasn't an AK, it was an M11/9.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/searcy_v_dayton.txt

Edit - if you define crime as possession of a weapon, there have been instances where a registered NFA weapon or device was involved in a crime that didn't involve the use of the weapon in question. The one that comes to mind immediately is the individual who was being investigated for domestic violence. When contacted by the LEO's he had his (model and type escapes me) registered MG loaded and concealed under a blanket in the bedroom where he was found by the LEO's.

He was convicted on DV charges, but I'm unaware of what happened with the weapons charge.

[AlexBreya]

Care to back it up? The fact that the weapons were semi before being converted strongly suggests they were legally acquired. If you were to go into the black market, you'd get full auto to begin with.

were they maybe stolen from someone? if they can't get it in the black market, they may have just stolen it.

[B Strong]

Care to back it up? The fact that the weapons were semi before being converted strongly suggests they were legally acquired. If you were to go into the black market, you'd get full auto to begin with.

I'll go farther than that.

IIRC, the two actors in the noho shootout had an earlier contact with LE where they were found to be in possession of AK's that were confiscated and later returned by LE due to the fact that the AK's in question were not on the banned list in effect at that time. The actors were not in the prohibited class, so the rifles went back to the badguys.

[Jonathan Doe]

The most common rifles iused in crime are SKS types and AK types. Most common rifle caliber used in crime are 7.62X39mm rounds. There are some AR types used in crime, but it occurrs less frequently.

[stormy_clothing]

who cares anyway, a gun is a gun is a gun. AK47 doesnt mean its any worse or better.

It's probably because a real ak is too expensive, I'm sure ak "like" ect those numbers are higher same as any other gun.

Care to back it up? The fact that the weapons were semi before being converted strongly suggests they were legally acquired. If you were to go into the black market, you'd get full auto to begin with.

Automatic weapons are more expensive to buy, converted ones less so I'm sure the black market whatever form that is the same applies. Heavy barrels and buffers and firing pins and selector switches and bolt carriers are all different in original weapons but not necessarily in conveted ones. In 1994 these weapons were not coming into the country like they are today it seems. One glance at the daily AFN reports shows truckloads of these weapons along with american currency. I guess Mac 10's and Uzi's maybe but not ak's

The weird thing about auto ak's seems to be that they really are coming from Mexico in large quantities, I only say this because I bought a cal legal one for my dad for his birthday last year and every single Mexican I know who has family there has told me they either have shot or know someone in there family that owns one full auto.

[CSACANNONEER]

Care to back it up? The fact that the weapons were semi before being converted strongly suggests they were legally acquired. If you were to go into the black market, you'd get full auto to begin with.

Really? I would bet that they were not puchased legally. Instead, they were probably purchased on the black market, converted to FA and then, sold to the thugs that used them. But, what do I know? They also could have gone through an illegal arms broker or two along the way, as well.