Gun modifications done wrong= a bad time

[dwalker]

Lots of discussion today about folks getting shot, here is a video put out by a friend of mine after an M&P she purchased used from another competitor malfunctioned.

[FalconLair]

one reason i'll never buy a used firearm - it's tough enough trying to exercise good, safe gun handling without having to worry about a used firearm that has been "modified" in a manner you may not be aware of

[SkyHawk]

Old dupe

[dwalker]

Old dupe

Probably by me, but I could not find it.

[SkyHawk]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1310426

I searched OT for "m&p sear"

Any update on how she is doing?

[dwalker]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1310426

I searched OT for "m&p sear"

Any update on how she is doing?

Better, I shot Superstition Mountain Mystery 3-gun with her earlier this year.

[XDJYo]

Old dupe

Probably by me, but I could not find it.

I would have to say that even though this may be a dupe, this is a good kind of dupe. We all need reminders from time to time to stay safe.

OP-Thank you for posting this. This is definitely a sobering reminder for us ALL to keep in mind to take into consideration and think deeply what we are doing.

[dwalker]

Interesting that in the other thread folks missed the part where she had several firearms experts look at the pistol after the incident. One of them is a friend of ime and called me thinking I was at the same class she was, and is a forensic engineer who more or less specializes in figuring out why bad things happen.

No ones hand was on the gun when it fired, I have that from firsthand reports, and I believe she was using a pretty standard bladetech or similar USPSA style holster. Regardless, no one at the class saw any actual reason for the gun to fire.

The other thing I found was interesting is how many mis-understood that she had stripped the gun down and cleaned it between the morning and afternoon sessions, which obviously was just a field strip and wipe down, not an in-depth clean.


Anyway, she is back up and shooting as much as she can, although I have not seen her since SMM3G.

[XDJYo]

[SkyHawk]

Interesting that in the other thread folks missed the part where she had several firearms experts look at the pistol after the incident. .

No one missed it. It was implied throughout. We all watched the same video. I had this question in post #5 of that thread:

I'm not saying this sear job wasn't the source, but I have a lot of questions. What about the firing pin safety?

So what about that? What engaged the firing pin block safety and cleared it out of the way of the firing pin? That only happens with a trigger stroke if the firing pin safety is present and not jammed up into the slide. That Bubba sear alone would not do it. And if it was a trigger stroke, then that only comes from something clearing the tab safety on the trigger shoe. Questions indeed.

Because we have all seen bits of holsters and clothing hang up in the triggers of holstered striker guns, causing them to go bang with no hands around the trigger. Instead, a slight tug of the shirt or a shift of the body completes the trigger stroke.

We have no video of this incident. Her clothing, holster, never discussed. The experts just go with the sear theory - that somehow absent any contact with the gun at all, it just decides right then to go, and also the completely independent system of the firing pin block safety fails concurrently. It is sort of hard logic to follow - what with Occam's razor and all.

I still have not heard any explanation or even discussion about the firing pin safety, and to me that renders the 'experts' conclusions... well, incomplete at best. I am not privy to anything that has not been published, so I can only go from the video you linked. Any additional info would be most welcome.

If she gets by every day confident that the sear alone caused her problem, well God bless. Me - I wouldn't be as sure because if I'm wrong, that means it could happen to me again. That firing pin safety question would keep me up at night, if the pain from a 9mm bore hole down my leg didn't.

I would have to say that even though this may be a dupe, this is a good kind of dupe. We all need reminders from time to time to stay safe.

Sure, great conversation to have - but just as easy to post in the thread that already has two pages of thoughts and opinions, and keep the conversation alive / reignite it without forking it.

[hambam105]

What, Lenny Magil's perfectly safe 2 pound CCW Glock trigger drop in trigger might be a dangerous pistol modification? You're pulling my leg.

[omega]

buying a used firearm

one reason i'll never buy a used firearm - it's tough enough trying to exercise good, safe gun handling without having to worry about a used firearm that has been "modified" in a manner you may not be aware of

yep, Im always hearing about people trying to modify their firearms, some people just cant leave a gun bone stock, they have to file this or take some material out to make the mag safety easier to push, or take some material out under the trigger guard to get a higher grip

or polish something to lighten the trigger or change parts

too many self proclaimed kitchen table gun smiths out there that mess up a perfectly good gun.

I prefer to only buy guns that havent been messed with, I actually prefer a slightly heavy trigger pull, because I know it's a little safer than a light trigger.

[AR-PISTOLCALIBER]

What, Lenny Magil's perfectly safe 2 pound CCW Glock trigger drop in trigger might be a dangerous pistol modification? You're pulling my leg.

WTF ??

Do you wanna guess how we know.....
that you didn't watch the video, didn't read the other thread linked about this, and didn't read any responses in this thread.......










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[dwalker]

yep, Im always hearing about people trying to modify their firearms, some people just cant leave a gun bone stock, they have to file this or take some material out to make the mag safety easier to push, or take some material out under the trigger guard to get a higher grip

or polish something to lighten the trigger or change parts

too many self proclaimed kitchen table gun smiths out there that mess up a perfectly good gun.

I prefer to only buy guns that havent been messed with, I actually prefer a slightly heavy trigger pull, because I know it's a little safer than a light trigger.

I bought a G19 from a friend of mine who had taken it in trade. Some previous owner had polished literally ever single piece. It had a "New York" trigger, which I hated so I never shot the gun, but in dry fire one day I noticed the gun would release the striker with the trigger back as the slide went forward. Took it to a buddy who was a Glock armorer who confirmed it had been monkeyed with and swapped out a handful of small parts (for free) with OEM Glock competition parts he had laying around on his bench. Gun works flawlessly now.
When I buy a gun I always ask what, if anything has been done to it and I always dry fire and cycle the gun before taking it to the range.
Just my personal bend.

[solipsism]

I recently bought a 686 and someone was a little overzealous on the trigger job. it has hammer push off with about 5-8lbs of force. Guy I bought it from either didn't know or didn't say.

Not a huge deal to me but people need to thoroughly examine guns they buy used.