Checking Gun Record during PPT

[MoondogIndustries]

I'm new to PPT (having only purchased through dealers).

When I meet with a seller at an FFL for a PPT, at what point is the gun's records checked if it's clean (ie. not reported lost/stolen)? Some sellers (and I've heard, some shops) require money to change hands prior to DROS paperwork getting filled out.

Is the gun's record checked during the online, info-input at the store? Or does the check happen during the 10 day Waiting Period? Or worse, is the 10 Day Period just Security Theater and nothing of gets checked other than my legal background?

Is there a risk that a seller could sell a "dirty" gun, then disappear during my 10 day waiting period, leaving me with nothing (since I the FFL would have to confiscate and hand it over to law enforcement).

[AceGirlsHusband]

The gun serial is run by DOJ/AFS during the 10-day processing. It simply shows any DROS already existing; any lost or stolen hits that might have been reported; whether or not the gun was booked by an agency in the past and was released; or if there's an institutional registration or firearm ownership record sitting on that gun. That takes about 1 minute. The real meat of the DROS is the criminal and mental records check on the prospective buyer (and that includes restraining orders) through CLETS and NLETS. Its a lot more comprehensive than the NCIC check done in 15 minutes in Free States.

[kcheung2]

I've never heard of someone complaining about the situation you're describing, a Calguns member trying to sell off a hot gun through an otherwise legal transaction. Considering that both the both the buyer & seller get their IDs copied and submitted, that seems like a counterproductive way to dispose of it. Not saying that it can't happen, but someone trying to sell a not-legal gun would likely go through a not-legal method.

As for when money changes hands, in the transations I've been involved in it's after the inspection & typically discretely during the occasional lulls as DROS is being processed.

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...unless the seller is a dude named fighterpilot. But he's not selling his hot gun, he's giving it away to people...in his basement....

[MoondogIndustries]

The gun serial is run by DOJ/AFS during the 10-day processing. ... Its a lot more comprehensive than the NCIC check done in 15 minutes in Free States.

Thanks for the details on that.

I've never heard of someone complaining about the situation you're describing, a Calguns member trying to sell off a hot gun through an otherwise legal transaction.

I would consider the risk to be small as well, as I doubt anybody who took the time to actually be on CalGuns would be stupid enough to knowingly sell a hot gun. Though there could be some meathead out there who would be the first.

[Bullets&Whitewalls]

My buddy was selling a mini 14 he inherited from his dad after he passed it came back stolen and he gave the guy his money back the next day. The ffl called them both the next day. So it could take more than a few minutes. Likely though if someone is taking the time to do a legal sale they aren't in the know.

[Tehjosheh]

A friend of mine did a ppt on a handgun, gave him the cash and started the dros. Week later he got a call back saying the handgun was stolen. Never got the gun or his money back.

Purchase with confidence from calgunners with a solid iTrader rating.

[ElvenSoul]

If they find anything

https://www.cnet.com/news/drone-with-grabbing-claw-arms-can-lift-22-pounds/

They send them after you

[MoondogIndustries]

My buddy was selling a mini 14 he inherited from his dad after he passed it came back stolen and he gave the guy his money back the next day. The ffl called them both the next day. So it could take more than a few minutes. Likely though if someone is taking the time to do a legal sale they aren't in the know.

Did his Dad buy a hot gun (back in the day before all these Regs it was a lot more loosey goosy to buy a used guns)? Was the M14 confiscated?

[MoondogIndustries]

A friend of mine did a ppt on a handgun, gave him the cash and started the dros. Week later he got a call back saying the handgun was stolen. Never got the gun or his money back.

Purchase with confidence from calgunners with a solid iTrader rating.

Where did he find the seller originally, I hope not on this board?

[Bullets&Whitewalls]

Did his Dad buy a hot gun (back in the day before all these Regs it was a lot more loosey goosy to buy a used guns)? Was the M14 confiscated?

He doesn't know how his dad got it. He had for a few years and his dad passed away a few years ago. Very likely he bought it waaay back when regs a lot looser. Actually the PD was able to re unite it with the owner thankfully. His dad was a legit guy we are certain he had no idea.

[meno377]

I've never heard of someone complaining about the situation you're describing, a Calguns member trying to sell off a hot gun through an otherwise legal transaction. Considering that both the both the buyer & seller get their IDs copied and submitted, that seems like a counterproductive way to dispose of it. Not saying that it can't happen, but someone trying to sell a not-legal gun would likely go through a not-legal method.

As for when money changes hands, in the transations I've been involved in it's after the inspection & typically discretely during the occasional lulls as DROS is being processed.

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...unless the seller is a dude named fighterpilot. But he's not selling his hot gun, he's giving it away to people...in his basement....

Not exactly the same circumstance, but a Calgunner sold me a gun that was stolen and returned to him. I then receive a phone call from the Sheriff's Department that the gun in question needs to be available for evidence in the trial for attempted murder. I was told I would get it back. At this moment it's been two years. I probably won't ever get it back and I am irritated, but if the gun helped put the criminals in prison, I can at least feel it was for the better even though I lost money on it.

The Calgunner is a jerk for not disclosing this, but I guess there is no rule that requires him to disclose otherwise.

[Tehjosheh]

Where did he find the seller originally, I hope not on this board?

it was not through this board, not sure how he found the guy to be honest - may have been through a different forum.