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  • w6k
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2014
    • 3

    AR pistol

    I am interested in building an AR-9 pistol. I don't have any AR weapons, but the AR pistol is quite unique and looks like a fun project. I can finish out an 80% lower to begin. The question I have is what can I put on this pistol to make it legal in Ca? More importantly, what can't I put on it. Is an AR based piston under the same rules as a AR rifle? Then there is the "feature" issue. Is this applicable for a pistol? Is there any such thing as an assault pistol? I have not heard or seen that term used. I have been reading a lot and getting more confused the more I read.

    Can someone point me to a post or a URL that will lay it out clearly for me and of course it has to be recent to take in all that has taken place in 2017.
  • #2
    Quiet
    retired Goon
    • Mar 2007
    • 30242

    Originally posted by w6k
    I am interested in building an AR-9 pistol. I don't have any AR weapons, but the AR pistol is quite unique and looks like a fun project. I can finish out an 80% lower to begin. The question I have is what can I put on this pistol to make it legal in Ca? More importantly, what can't I put on it. Is an AR based piston under the same rules as a AR rifle? Then there is the "feature" issue. Is this applicable for a pistol? Is there any such thing as an assault pistol? I have not heard or seen that term used. I have been reading a lot and getting more confused the more I read.

    Can someone point me to a post or a URL that will lay it out clearly for me and of course it has to be recent to take in all that has taken place in 2017.
    Yes, there are CA assault weapons laws for handguns and those laws are similar to but different than the CA assault weapons laws for rifles and shotguns.

    Because of those CA assault weapons laws and CA unsafe handgun laws, it is only CA legal to make a dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistol or break-top/open single-shot pistol.


    That said...

    First issue... (making a CA legal AR style pistol)

    The handgun needs to be made into a dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistol or a dimensionally compliant break-top/open single-shot pistol.

    Because the firearm can never had been semi-auto prior to creation, you will most likely need to build your own upper, instead of buying an existing upper and modifying it. This is because existing uppers are typically test fired by the manufacturer as a semi-auto.

    In addition to installing a 0 round mag/sled that can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action or a 0 round mag/sled that is permanently attached to the firearm or a solid magazine well, the following must be done depending on the type of upper...

    If the AR style pistol normally operates via direct impingement, then:
    1. Do not install a gas tube.
    2. Do not install a gas block or plug the gas block.
    This makes it a straight pull bolt-action single-shot.

    If the AR style pistol normally operates via gas-piston, then:
    1. Do not install a gas piston.
    2. Do not install a gas block or plug the gas block.
    This makes it a straight pull bolt-action single-shot.

    If the AR style pistol normally operates via blowback, then:
    1. Install a dowel in the buffer tube, which prevents the buffer from moving.
    ^ For rimfire blowback... install a limiter/black behind the bolt carrier group, in order to prevent it from cycling.
    This makes it a break-top/open single-shot.

    The upper will also need a minimum 6" barrel length and the handgun will need a minimum 10.5" overall length.


    Second issue... (conversion from exempt handgun to unsafe handgun)

    Because of definition changes relating to CA's "home built firearm" laws, it may no longer be legal to convert a dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistol or dimensionally complaint break-top single-shot pistol into a semi-auto pistol.
    {wait and see, while lawyers do battle}


    Third issue... (required markings)

    In order to register it or transfer it, it must be properly engraved/marked.

    Markings must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch.
    Markings must use Roman letters (A, B, C, etc.) and Arabic numerals (1, 2, 3, etc).

    Markings must include: [all this complies with Federal requirements]
    1) Serial Numbers (can not be just a name, must contain numerals)*
    2) Model
    3) Caliber
    4) Manufacturer's name
    5) City & State where the Manufacturer is located

    Since you made the receiver, you are the manufacturer.
    So, your name (first & last) and city/state needs to be engraved on it.

    Even with the above markings, you may have to obtain a CA DOJ identification number, due to this being a FMBUS, in order to be acknowledged by CA DOJ.
    {Wait and see while lawyers do battle.}

    If you do not properly mark/engrave the firearm before 07-01-2018, then you must apply to CA DOJ BOF for the required markings for home built firearms. [PC 29180(b)]

    Starting 01-01-2019, possession of a home built firearm without identifying information will be illegal. [PC 29180(f)]
    In addition, it will also be illegal to transfer home built firearms, unless it is to surrender them to law enforcement. [PC 29180(d)]
    Last edited by Quiet; 09-07-2017, 6:05 PM.
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    • #3
      repo4sale
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2010
      • 1438

      Move & vote in Nevada, no BS Sacramento gun laws[emoji16]

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        BigPimping
        CGN Contributor
        • Feb 2010
        • 21488

        All this and transgender bathrooms are legal.
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        • #5
          repo4sale
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2010
          • 1438

          California is so picked up, they increase gasoline taxes $0.75/gallon at one time [emoji16]

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