Reasonable regulations

[deckhandmike]

I work with mentally ill violent felons. They should never have guns. They would try to kill you with a spork if they could. Fully 2A but there really is a good reason some people should not be able to own guns. I know criminals can get ahold of guns but when they are caught with them it's good, they are off the street.

[dunndeal]

Was it really to keep blacks from owning firearms?

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A little Google-Fu would assist you but if you won't do it for yourself, I won't do it for you.
Google.com , it's not that difficult.

[dwalker]

That's fine, and maybe I've learned a thing or two. But I still don't believe that schizoid or psychos should be allowed to own firearms. They are more likely to "go off" on people. They also are the first to think they aren't sick and don't need medicated. As far as losing your gun ownership rights as a felon, just as voting, that's just part of doing the crime if you get caught. Doesn't matter if you've served your time, that's still part of the punishment. You know like 5 years imprisonment plus never allowed to vote again. It doesn't say serve five years, get out and you're no longer a felon.

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Both of the things you named-
Losing the right to vote
Losing the right to bear arms


were BOTH designed to keep militant blacks down, but backfired on the NRA. The Founders would never have gone along with it, it is NOT what this country was founded on.

As far as people with psychiatric conditions, where do you draw the line? Because someone "may one day" lose it and hurt someone? That is EXACTLY the same argument the gun grabbers are using against YOU! That you, while you seem OK now, are just waiting to go off because you simply want to own a gun, that there is no telling what rage lies within your heart and so therefore you cannot be trusted to be armed, and that because you have sought out training that means you are prone to violence and are preparing to commit unforgivable sins upon the masses.
The worst thing is, folks that agree with "some" people not having guns are the very ones who are perfectly OK with the .gov deciding who that is.

No sir, I do not agree with that argument.

The 2nd is quite clear. EVERY AMERICAN has the RIGHT to KEEP and BEAR ARMS. That does not mean just firearms, or swords, pocketknives or tanks.

[Bicky]

If it isn't in the bill of rights, then no they aren't rights. After rights, you must look to your legislators for what they allow or disallow you to do.

You are mistaken. My rights exist because I exist, or if you prefer, were bestowed by my creator. The bill of rights was written as a set of reminders to the government of those rights they should be most careful to avoid infringing. Also:

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

[jdl6mm]

That's fine, and maybe I've learned a thing or two. But I still don't believe that schizoid or psychos should be allowed to own firearms. They are more likely to "go off" on people. They also are the first to think they aren't sick and don't need medicated. As far as losing your gun ownership rights as a felon, just as voting, that's just part of doing the crime if you get caught. Doesn't matter if you've served your time, that's still part of the punishment. You know like 5 years imprisonment plus never allowed to vote again. It doesn't say serve five years, get out and you're no longer a felon.

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[Pardini]

In 1968, for natives, for blacks, really? Come on man. Color didn't have a damn thing to do with it. It was the government's way of control! Period! A white guy couldn't get the same gun a black man couldn't get.

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It was in response to the Black Panthers, because they decided to exercise their legal rights and it scared white Americans into giving up their same rights as a result. Yes, it was about color.

It's likely that if it was the White Panthers, the reaction and result may have been the same, but that's not how it played out.

[dwalker]

I assume the felony conviction includes a forfeiture of your future rights such as voting or owning a firearm. Don't like that? Then don't commit crimes. That's a fairly simple concept to follow. That said, once you have served your time and kept out of trouble there should be a way to restore rights that doesn't cost thousands in lawyer fees.
Do you really believe that a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic should be allowed to own a firearm? The only schizophrenic I've dealt with in my life heard voices that told her "scary bad things". She also had hallucinations. Do you believe this person should own a firearm? Would you give or sell one of your own guns to her?

Where does it say that in the 2nd Amendment?

At what point do you choose to draw a line?

[GW]

Please point out where the 2nd says anything about mentally sound, non violent, non-criminals as those who could possess firearms.

Because you can buy a gun does not make you special, you are not better than a person who can not buy weapons and passing a BGC does not make one any less likely to commit a crime. The whole have/have nots thing is BS, and EVERY American Citizen should be allowed to purchase and own firearms, including criminals, those some of us might find less than mentally fit, poor, or otherwise "second class".

The Founding Fathers understood this, as remember in Europe where many came from you were not allowed to hunt the Kings deer, and you were branded a criminal for many whimsical things, including the religion you sought to practice. There is a REASON why they do not say "except for criminals or those we think are not responsible enough", and it holds true to this very day.

I assume the felony conviction includes a forfeiture of your future rights such as voting or owning a firearm. Don't like that? Then don't commit crimes. That's a fairly simple concept to follow. That said, once you have served your time and kept out of trouble there should be a way to restore rights that doesn't cost thousands in lawyer fees.
Do you really believe that a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic should be allowed to own a firearm? The only schizophrenic I've dealt with in my life heard voices that told her "scary bad things". She also had hallucinations. Do you believe this person should own a firearm? Would you give or sell one of your own guns to her?

[dwalker]

i may sound like a traitor but i would be fine with a 3 day wait background check on your first purchase and each subsequent purchase they would a database of people who became ineligible that should take no longer than 5 minutes

there should be a private party system where the purchaser could call and get a temporary number that would last for 3 days that the seller could call enter the number and it would kickback the name of the person they could check the id

i would like some form of double layer encryption so there would be no way to kick out a list of gun owners but a way to check if an individual has been cleared to own a gun and this information would in no way be proof of gun ownership and there would be no list of guns registered to that person

Please point out where the 2nd says anything about mentally sound, non violent, non-criminals as those who could possess firearms.

Because you can buy a gun does not make you special, you are not better than a person who can not buy weapons and passing a BGC does not make one any less likely to commit a crime. The whole have/have nots thing is BS, and EVERY American Citizen should be allowed to purchase and own firearms, including criminals, those some of us might find less than mentally fit, poor, or otherwise "second class".

The Founding Fathers understood this, as remember in Europe where many came from you were not allowed to hunt the Kings deer, and you were branded a criminal for many whimsical things, including the religion you sought to practice. There is a REASON why they do not say "except for criminals or those we think are not responsible enough", and it holds true to this very day.

[dwalker]

Again, read-

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20030115/the-racist-history-of-handgun-bans-in-a

In 1968, Congress passed the Gun Control Act, ostensibly in reaction to the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Senator Robert F. Kennedy and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King. But even supporters of "gun control" have recognized another purpose to the law. Robert Sherrill wrote, "The Gun Control Act of 1968 was passed not to control guns but to control blacks.... Inasmuch as the legislation finally passed in 1968 had nothing to do with the guns used in the assassinations of King and Robert Kennedy, it seems reasonable to assume that the law was directed at that other threat of the 1960s, more omnipresent than the political assassin -- namely, the black rioter....With the horrendous rioting of 1967 and 1968, Congress again was panicked toward passing some law that would shut off weapons access to blacks." (The Saturday Night Special, 1973.) B. Bruce-Briggs similarly noted, "It is difficult to escape the conclusion that the 'Saturday night special' is emphasized because it is cheap and is being sold to a particular class of people. The name is sufficient evidence -- the reference is to 'n-----town Saturday Night.'" ("The Great American Gun War," The Public Interest, Fall 1976.

[jdl6mm]

We are talking about the gun control act of 1968. Don't take it back to the natives, don't go back to slavery. Stay on topic. He started the topic on the gca of 1968.

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[rustyx]

In 1968, for natives, for blacks, really? Come on man. Color didn't have a damn thing to do with it. It was the government's way of control! Period! A white guy couldn't get the same gun a black man couldn't get.

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You should look into it more. Gun laws all across the US have racist origins.

[jdl6mm]

If I remember right it was originally designed for natives. Then blacks. Then in ca I think it was started to keep asians from guns. Then spread to everyone. There's a documentary about it. I can't think of the name right now.

In 1968, for natives, for blacks, really? Come on man. Color didn't have a damn thing to do with it. It was the government's way of control! Period! A white guy couldn't get the same gun a black man couldn't get.

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[jdl6mm]

You make a very solid point. You're starting to make me change my mind about my stance. And this is not sarcasm.

Generally speaking, a suicidal attempt won't get you banned from owning a firearm. But, schizophrenia, psychosis, things like that will.

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[bohoki]

i may sound like a traitor but i would be fine with a 3 day wait background check on your first purchase and each subsequent purchase they would a database of people who became ineligible that should take no longer than 5 minutes

there should be a private party system where the purchaser could call and get a temporary number that would last for 3 days that the seller could call enter the number and it would kickback the name of the person they could check the id

i would like some form of double layer encryption so there would be no way to kick out a list of gun owners but a way to check if an individual has been cleared to own a gun and this information would in no way be proof of gun ownership and there would be no list of guns registered to that person