What's the new ammo laws in 2018

[that one guy]

Can anyone link the laws with buying ammo for 2018. I know there's a search button but it keeps crashing when I try searching.

Now usually buy in bulk from sgammo and have it shipped to my FFL to avoid package theft, would that still be okay when the new laws hit.

[Quiet]

Can anyone link the laws with buying ammo for 2018. I know there's a search button but it keeps crashing when I try searching.

Penal Code 30312
(a)(1) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale of ammunition by any party shall be conducted by or processed through a licensed ammunition vendor.
(2) When neither party to an ammunition sale is a licensed ammunition vendor, the seller shall deliver the ammunition to a vendor to process the transaction. The ammunition vendor shall then promptly and properly deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, if the sale is not prohibited, as if the ammunition were the vendor’s own merchandise. If the ammunition vendor cannot legally deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, the vendor shall forthwith return the ammunition to the seller. The ammunition vendor may charge the purchaser an administrative fee to process the transaction, in an amount to be set by the Department of Justice, in addition to any applicable fees that may be charged pursuant to the provisions of this title.
(b) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale, delivery or transfer of ownership of ammunition by any party may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the seller, deliverer, or transferor, provided, however, that ammunition may be purchased or acquired over the Internet or through other means of remote ordering if a licensed ammunition vendor initially receives the ammunition and processes the transaction in compliance with this section and Article 3 (commencing with Section 30342) of Chapter 1 of Division 10 of Title 4 of this part.
(c) Subdivisions (a) and (b) shall not apply to the sale, delivery, or transfer of ammunition to any of the following:
(1) An authorized law enforcement representative of a city, county, city and county, or state or federal government, if the sale, delivery, or transfer is for exclusive use by that government agency and, prior to the sale, delivery, or transfer of the ammunition, written authorization from the head of the agency employing the purchaser or transferee is obtained, identifying the employee as an individual authorized to conduct the transaction, and authorizing the transaction for the exclusive use of the agency employing the individual.
(2) A sworn peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, or sworn federal law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer’s duties.
(3) An importer or manufacturer of ammunition or firearms who is licensed to engage in business pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(4) A person who is on the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees maintained by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 6 (commencing with Section 28450) of Chapter 6 of Division 6 of this title.
(5) A person whose licensed premises are outside this state and who is licensed as a dealer or collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(6) A person who is licensed as a collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, whose licensed premises are within this state, and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710.
(7) An ammunition vendor.
(8) A consultant-evaluator.
(9) A person who purchases or receives ammunition at a target facility holding a business or other regulatory license, provided that the ammunition is at all times kept within the facility’s premises.
(10) A person who purchases or receives ammunition from a spouse, registered domestic partner, or immediate family member as defined in Section 16720.
(d) A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.

Penal Code 30314
(a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(1) An ammunition vendor.
(2) A sworn peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, or sworn federal law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer’s duties.
(3) An importer or manufacturer of ammunition or firearms who is licensed to engage in business pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(4) A person who is on the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees maintained by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 6 (commencing with Section 28450) of Chapter 6 of Division 6.
(5) A person who is licensed as a collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, whose licensed premises are within this state, and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710.
(6) A person who acquired the ammunition from a spouse, registered domestic partner, or immediate family member as defined in Section 16720.
(c) A violation of this section is an infraction for any first time offense, and either an infraction or a misdemeanor for any subsequent offense.

Penal Code 30342
(a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a valid ammunition vendor license shall be required for any person, firm, corporation, or other business enterprise to sell more than 500 rounds of ammunition in any 30-day period.
(b) A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.

[that one guy]

Thank you.

[Quiet]

Now usually buy in bulk from sgammo and have it shipped to my FFL to avoid package theft, would that still be okay when the new laws hit.

If you are not an exempt person, then what you posted is what will be required starting 01-01-2018.

Order ammo and have it shipped to a licensed ammunition vendor.

Until CA DOJ regulations pertaining to ammunition are finalized, it is unknown what requirements or procedures will be implemented to facilitate this.

It is most likely that the licensed ammunition vendor will charge a "transfer fee" and collect "CA use tax" on the shipment.

It is also unknown if out-of-state ammunition vendors will continue to support CA residents will ammo sales due to any new shipping requirements/regulations.

Clarity will not be forth coming until CA DOJ regulations are finalized. (No ETA on when that will happen)

[G38xOC]

500rds/30 days

[stitchnicklas]

500rds/30 days

huh??????

500+ just gets reported...no big deal...

[G38xOC]

huh??????

500+ just gets reported...no big deal...

must have read it wrong . I thought that was the limit per month . thanks for clearing that up

[Milsurp Collector]

So I have to become an ammunition vendor if I want to sell a $20 brick of 22lr?

Only if you want to sell more than 500 rounds in any 30 day period.

[FourT6and2]

Just get a C&R + COE.

[mshill]

Penal Code 30314
(a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
...
(6) A person who acquired the ammunition from a spouse, registered domestic partner, or immediate family member as defined in Section 16720.
(c) A violation of this section is an infraction for any first time offense, and either an infraction or a misdemeanor for any subsequent offense.

So for all you guys scared of dogs sniffing your trunk at the agricultural checkpoints... do you ever exceed the speed limit?

Also, notice the import only applies to resident of this state. Are they trying to get around the commerce clause with this?

[Tactical Fred]

Are there any restrictions as to how much ammo you can transport to the range and back ?

My BIL seems to think that if you go trap shooting and you buy ammo at the range you can't leave the range with more then 50 rounds left. I have not seen anything like this.

[Bullets&Whitewalls]

Are there any restrictions as to how much ammo you can transport to the range and back ?

My BIL seems to think that if you go trap shooting and you buy ammo at the range you can't leave the range with more then 50 rounds left. I have not seen anything like this.

That doesn't really make much sense since in order to buy the ammo the range would have to facilitate a legal transfer. Once that is done it is your ammo unless I read something wrong. Either way my curiousity really lies with what the ammo market will end up like. No body that I talk too seems to care because they all plan on buying out of state. Unless you have a free trip planned it will end up costing those people more than just dealing with the crap here.

[cheese4432]

My thoughts are that ammo prices will mostly stay the same, but you be charged for the background check. I think this will mean that you won't just get a couple boxes at the store, but instead will make larger purchases because it doesn't make sense to to pay a background check fee for less than $50 of ammo.

[elk hunter]

Reading this info

Penal Code 30312Penal Code 30314Penal Code 30342
(a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a valid ammunition vendor license shall be required for any person, firm, corporation, or other business enterprise to sell more than 500 rounds of ammunition in any 30-day period.
(b) A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.

Reading this above info on your new Calif. ammunition law makes me curious and maybe Quiet or some other skilled person can clear this up for me. By all I read and can find to read it is required that a person live in Calif. for 180 consecutive days to "qualify" as a resident of said state....yes?/no? Inside of this 6 month/180 day period that person is NOT a California resident, if you leave Calif. for any period of time this breaks the 180 day consecutive run and you would have to start your qualification over again? During this 180 days you would not be a resident so why cant you move all of the ammunition you want into your selected new home in Calif. I see no provision for this in the posted law no restrictions on a nonresident. Keep in mind you are not a resident..........yet. Legal or no? Something to think about? Have a nice day.

[Quiet]

Reading this above info on your new Calif. ammunition law makes me curious and maybe Quiet or some other skilled person can clear this up for me. By all I read and can find to read it is required that a person live in Calif. for 180 consecutive days to "qualify" as a resident of said state....yes?/no? Inside of this 6 month/180 day period that person is NOT a California resident, if you leave Calif. for any period of time this breaks the 180 day consecutive run and you would have to start your qualification over again? During this 180 days you would not be a resident so why cant you move all of the ammunition you want into your selected new home in Calif. I see no provision for this in the posted law no restrictions on a nonresident. Keep in mind you are not a resident..........yet. Legal or no? Something to think about? Have a nice day.

The CA ammo laws going into affect on 01-01-2018 do not apply to non-residents of CA importing ammo for personal use.


Under CA laws/regulations, in regards to firearms/ammunition, you are considered a CA resident if you meet one of the following conditions:
01. Have a rental or lease agreement for property in CA. [VC 12505(a)(1)(D)]
02. Have a deed or title to residential property in CA. [VC 12505(a)(1)(D)]
03. Have a mortgage bill for property in CA. [VC 12505(a)(1)(D)]
04. Pay CA utility bills (power, water, trash, gas, phone). [VC 12505(a)(1)(D)]
05. Pay CA resident tution at a public or private school/college. [VC 12505(a)(1)(B)]
06. Have CA medical documents. [VC 12505(a)(1)(D)]
07. Have CA employment documents. [VC 12505(a)(1)(D)]
08. Pay insurance in CA (medical, dental, vision, life, home, fire, earthquake, rental, vehicle, etc). [VC 12505(a)(1)(D)]
09. Pay CA income tax. [VC 12505(a)(1)(D)]
10. Have a vehicle or vessel registered in CA. [VC 12505(a)(1)(D)]
11. Pay property tax in CA. [VC 12505(a)(1)(D)]
12. There are US Gov records showing you reside in CA. [VC 12505(a)(1)(D)]
13. There are financial (bank) records showing you reside in CA. [VC 12505(a)(1)(D)]
14. There are Court records showing you reside in CA. [VC 12505(a)(1)(D)]
15. You are registered to vote in CA. [VC 12505(a)(1)(A)]
16. Certified letter from a shelter (homeless, womens, etc) attesting you reside in CA. [VC 12505(a)(1)(D)]

It doesn't matter if you are residing in another State, as long as you meet one of the above conditions CA will continue to consider you a CA resident.