FN discontinues the High Power Pistol?

[Guns and guitars]

Will this pass the roster smell test? Under FN it just states FN HP-SA/Steel. It doesn't mention MK

https://www.aimsurplus.com/product.a...earch=hi+power

I got one of these from AIM last year. Its on the roster but like everything else its all up to your FFL.

[tsnoforn]

I got one of these from AIM last year. Its on the roster but like everything else its all up to your FFL.

The surplus pistols are living proof of how great the Hi Power is. Carried for years and years, gets the daylights beat out of it and it works every time.


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[tsnoforn]

So Canada made Hi Powers for all Majesty troops and Germans had them made when they took over Belgian Factories? But John Browning was American right? How did FN end up manufacturing them in Belgium? USA govt rejected his invention so he went over to Europe for offers? Was there a Browning Factory in Utah during the war?

Actually, kinda yes. The previous poster was right on all counts, except the Canadians did make Hi Powers during WWII.

John Browning never finished the design. It was a design for the French Army. The French engineer finished the design but the french army never bought it. The Belgians did and FN started making the pistol. Only American imports mention the Browning Company, as they import them, they never have had anything to do with making them. Notice my Nazi Hi Power, and all other Hi Powers, just have the FN factory marks and the rest of the world simply knows the pistol,as,the Hi Power or the FN Hi Powe, not a Browning Hi Power.


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[81turbota]

What a shame. The end of an era.

My two High Powers originally belonged to some unlucky Germans in the 40's. Brought to the US by some victorious veterans

[tsnoforn]

With over 50 countries, it may be the most widely used military pistol in history.


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[tsnoforn]

By the by, I may not have seen but I have verified the Hi Power is no more.


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[Turbinator]

I found this reference site, may be useful to some:

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/DifferenceMkIIandMkIII.htm

Turby

[tsnoforn]

I understand there are people that love the HP and think it is the best gun ever made. The problem is, there really aren't that many of them, hence the slow sales.



Stating it does not need upgrading is just ridiculous, in the days of the one handed shooting stance and no such thing as a speed reload it was fine. Not to mention magazine disconnect and hammer bite.



But with the high two handed grip favored today, speed reloads and dislike of mag disconnects. It absolutely needs one, when a high two handed grip causes the slide to continually lock back because of the slide lock design and your hand to be sliced open by the slide, it's a problem that needs to be addressed.



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An interesting point of view, however it may lack generational perspective.

Soldiers trained intensively with a firearm generally don't like "new and improved". I was trained (perhaps the last group) and qualified with the 1911, and later, by good fortune, with the Hi Power by British allies. Literally, I think the last group of soldiers to do so.

In 1900, the most popular civilian pistol was still the Navy Colt, why? Because a generation of men became accustomed with its foibles and it was un real accurate.

All of the things you call weaknesses Are things I think make the Hi Power relevant, even more relevant than the 1911.

1. I believe, strongly, if you cannot save your life with 16 shots from a Hi Power, you are going to not save your life. Thus, I worry not about quick changes. Besides, I can change a mag pretty quick with a hi power.

2. I am lucky, none of my Hi Powers has ever locked on me. So not an issue. I have also never been slide bit.

3. Laying on the ground with one arm under me, I am very glad my metal pistol is accurate at 25 yards every time. I like pistols that shoot straight held in one hand.

4. In a real fight if I lose my weapon, I am glad I am push button away from the enemy pointing a non functioning firearm at me while I stab him 9 times.

I have always been fascinated with this phenomenon; so fascinated that I like my 1911s unmodified from GI issue 1911A1 and my Hi Powers to be unmodified in any way (not to mention it protects my investment). Previous generations of handgun all work just as well as new ones.

i carried a revolver today; perhaps, IMHO, the best gun to get into a self defense scrape with, even though I own and carry Sig Legion and Glock compacts. Old, anachronistic... but still amazingly useful.

Also, previous generation pistols are proven deadly killers. Because warfare has changed completely, we will never really know if the new modern firearms will ever be as deadly as the venerable 1911 colt.

The bottom line, soldiers and ex-military professionals generally don't switch. The main reason is new may not be as improved as we think or know. I like my new gen carry firearms because they are light and accurate enough. Really all I need; bit if I know I'm going to get into a scrape, I would bring the tool I was trained to use the most.


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[SDDAVE56]

I got mine! I bought two a few months apart in 2015. A new one with fixed sights, and a like new one circa 1980. The trigger on the new one kind of sucks, on the older one it sucks less. Fit and finish on both are outstanding.

Accuacy on both is acceptable at 25 yards for service pistols. Both feed 115, 124 gr fmj, and 147 gr jhp with no issues. The older one has the humped feed ramp. All in all they're both keepers. Probably won't shoot the older one much. The newer one will get a trigger job and removal of the mag safety.

[Over It]

Holy cow, I was talking to my Nighthawk guy and he says last batch is in October. They are going to try and snap up as many as they can.

Hi Powers are awesome!

[stormvet]

An interesting point of view, however it may lack generational perspective.
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But isn't the generational perspective what it all comes down to. The reason that it is being discontinued is because the generations alive today and buying guns, are not choosing the HP.

I'm always the first one to say, use what you like and do best with. Militaries, LE and the vast majority of civilians have decided that it's not the HP and it's been that way for a pretty long time.

I've had professional training wth handguns and carbines for over 30 years, military and LE. Ive also taken civilian training courses for handguns and carbines and not once have I had an instructor use or recommend a HP or a Garand for that matter.

Times change weapons improve, doesn't make the older ones bad or not a viable option. But it does mean less and less people will make it their option. When this happens long enough a manufacturer will have to decide if it's still worth it to make them, FN has decided it's not worth the cost.

Any serviceable handgun can be used for self defense as long as it is regularly trained with. The training and weapon I used 30 years ago does not mean as much to me as the training and weapon I used last week or last month.

[Steve1968LS2]

I have an older one (1984) and love it..

I keep thinking about sending it in for some work.. but it's so clean I hate to mess to with it.

Of all my guns it feels the best in my hand..

[Steve1968LS2]

Holy cow, I was talking to my Nighthawk guy and he says last batch is in October. They are going to try and snap up as many as they can.

Hi Powers are awesome!

Nighthawk quoted me $2500 to work over mine.. yikes! lol

[Turbinator]

I need to stop reading this thread, I feel like spending money...

Turby

[HUTCH 7.62]

I need to stop reading this thread, I feel like spending money...

Turby

This.