FN discontinues the High Power Pistol?

[LowThudd]

Wait, what am I saying, it's Armscorp/RIA- They'll just rip off/clone the original.
Rights? We don't need no stinkin' rights!

The design is over 80 years old. The Patent expired decades ago. They are free to copy the design if they wanted to, under international law.

Bummer about the HP, but as others have said, I'd rather have an older one anyway.

[Lonestargrizzly]

The design is over 80 years old. The Patent expired decades ago. They are free to copy the design if they wanted to, under international law.

Bummer about the HP, but as others have said, I'd rather have an older one anyway.

I'm in to see if RIA puts the nazi markings on it.

Nah, they will just slap a 3"x3" RIA logo on it.

[simonp]

The design is over 80 years old. The Patent expired decades ago. They are free to copy the design if they wanted to, under international law.

Bummer about the HP, but as others have said, I'd rather have an older one anyway.

Just remember, this is CA, who is likely to make a good copy and pay the PRK extortion for the drop test and roster? Likely no one, so there goes another gun no longer available in this state

[LowThudd]

I'm in to see if RIA puts the nazi markings on it.

Nah, they will just slap a 3"x3" RIA logo on it.

Why would there be Nazi markings? The Belgians were the ones who bought the Patent from JMB, and who had commissioned him to design it. The Nazis got ahold of one of the manufacturing plans late in the war and repurposed some. They are rare.

[simonp]

Why would there be Nazi markings? The Belgians were the ones who bought the Patent from JMB, and who had commissioned him to design it. The Nazis got ahold of one of the manufacturing plans late in the war and repurposed some. They are rare.

I have one as well as an Inglis from Canada, both are great shooters


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[LowThudd]

I have one as well as an Inglis from Canada, both are great shooters


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I'd love to have an Inglis with the shoulder stock/holster. In a free state of course.

[simonp]

I'd love to have an Inglis with the shoulder stock/holster. In a free state of course.

I have the shoulder holster, afaik nothing illegal about that in the PRK if you find one


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[LowThudd]

I have the shoulder holster, afaik nothing illegal about that in the PRK if you find one


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Nope, not illegal to own. And while it is legal to use under CA C&R SBR law, it has been pointed out plenty of times that it is illegal to use under CA assault weapon laws, unless you have a fixed mag.

[simonp]

Nope, not illegal to own. And while it is legal to use under CA C&R SBR law, it has been pointed out plenty of times that it is illegal to use under CA assault weapon laws, unless you have a fixed mag.

Grrr WTF, impossible stupid F%cked up laws, never gave a thought to the now stupid CA Assault weapon laws applying to a WWII handgun

[tsnoforn]

Why would there be Nazi markings? The Belgians were the ones who bought the Patent from JMB, and who had commissioned him to design it. The Nazis got ahold of one of the manufacturing plans late in the war and repurposed some. They are rare.

Not that rare, one of my Hi Powers is a waffenampt gun. Actually, Belgium fell to the Blitzkrieg pretty fast and both Waffen SS and German paratroops were fond of the Hi-Power. I think more than 5000 were made for the German Military.

The Hi Power was the only pistol issued to both allied and axis forces. Oddly enough, it is the allied pistols ( the Inglis) that were knock offs.

How unrare? Mine, with a bringback, is in pretty good shape and was only $1500. The only thing to be careful of is the belgian gunsmiths would from time to time get away with sabotaging a pistol. Mine was worn quite well (and has a ring hammer) and was as well made as my own newer (1960s and 1980s) models. OF my 3 Hi Powers, it is my middle favorite; even better... I carry it without guilt because it is well worn and carrying won't hurt it.


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[LowThudd]

Not that rare, one of my Hi Powers is a waffenampt gun. Actually, Belgium fell to the Blitzkrieg pretty fast and both Waffen SS and German paratroops were fond of the Hi-Power. I think more than 5000 were made for the German Military.

The Hi Power was the only pistol issued to both allied and axis forces. Oddly enough, it is the allied pistols ( the Inglis) that were knock offs.

How unrare? Mine, with a bringback, is in pretty good shape and was only $1500. The only thing to be careful of is the belgian gunsmiths would from time to time get away with sabotaging a pistol. Mine was worn quite well (and has a ring hammer) and was as well made as my own newer (1960s and 1980s) models. OF my 3 Hi Powers, it is my middle favorite; even better... I carry it without guilt because it is well worn and carrying won't hurt it.

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Thanks for the info.

Weren't the Belgians also making 1911s at that time? I have seen Nazi stamped 1911s as well, I was thinking both pistols were rare, but perhaps it was just the Belgian/Nazi 1911s?

[tsnoforn]

Thanks for the info.



Weren't the Belgians also making 1911s at that time? I have seen Nazi stamped 1911s as well, I was thinking both pistols were rare, but perhaps it was just the Belgian/Nazi 1911s?

In 1944, in preparation for the allied invasion, the Germans ordered the Kongsberg Norway gun factory to begin producing their fine copy of the 1911. No replacements were available from Germany. Waffenampt ones were only made in 1945. They are rare, and Kongsberg makes really nice pistols.

These are super rare, Nazi Hi-Powers are not quite a dime a dozen but certainly cheaper than a luger and better than a wartime PPK.


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[tsnoforn]

I am not a good photographer, here is my waffenampt Hi Power. Finish is pretty worn, thus all the light reflection.


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[ESPONDA]

So Canada made Hi Powers for all Majesty troops and Germans had them made when they took over Belgian Factories? But John Browning was American right? How did FN end up manufacturing them in Belgium? USA govt rejected his invention so he went over to Europe for offers? Was there a Browning Factory in Utah during the war?

[LowThudd]

So Canada made Hi Powers for all Majesty troops and Germans had them made when they took over Belgian Factories? But John Browning was American right? How did FN end up manufacturing them in Belgium? USA govt rejected his invention so he went over to Europe for offers? Was there a Browning Factory in Utah during the war?

No. After WWI, the French and Belgians commissioned JMB to produce a double stack service pistol in 9mm. Since he basically used the 1911 design as a basis, he couldn't deliver it until 1936, after the 1911 patent dropped off. FN bought the design and patent.