S&W vs. Springfield Armory/RRA...Comparable?

[D-M]

I see a lot of folks talking poorly (for good reason) about Springfield/Rock River for what the pulled back east. Bull****, for sure, and the company will suffer for that for a while, most likely.

But maybe it's just folks long in the tooth like me that remember that Smith & Wesson got branded as traitors as well, and now, some 17 years on, folks recommend them often and highly. And Springfield still makes a solid product (made? Will this affect quality control?) much like older S&W stuff is pretty highly sought after, even if it comes from the dreaded "2000's".

Yes, it came at great cost for Smith, something RRA and SA should have considered before pulling their crap. Do any of you guys see parallels in these situations and what kind of repercussions would folks heavily invested in Springfield products (Not so much Rock River, as the price points are generally very different) suffer if SA goes the way of S&W and gets sold off?

[LEAD LAUNCHER]

RIA had nothing to do with that-wrong company

It was RRA

[Chapped Hide]

It was Rock River Arms not RIA. And I am one of those that will not quickly get over what SA pulled.

[CiaoKing]

It was Rock River Arms, OP.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/04/john-boch/springfield-armory-rock-river-arms-trade-opposition-to-illinois-ffl-licensing-scheme-for-carve-out/

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[D-M]

RIA had nothing to do with that-wrong company

It was RRA

Apologies, will amend. Springfield is the one that pops up most being the most popular, so my focus was primarily on them.

[D-M]

It was Rock River Arms, OP.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/04/john-boch/springfield-armory-rock-river-arms-trade-opposition-to-illinois-ffl-licensing-scheme-for-carve-out/

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Noted and amended.

[D-M]

It was Rock River Arms not RIA. And I am one of those that will not quickly get over what SA pulled.

It took me years to get over what S&W pulled, so much so that only just last year did I finally buy something from them. Wonder how long folks will hold this grudge, though?

[kcheung2]

The difference is that the management at S&W that made those decisions (and at Ruger too) are no longer around. Despite the emotional vitriol, the truth is no one harbored ill will towards the machinists or other workerbees at those companies, just the senior mgmt. And when they were gone then it was business as usual. And boycotting a company only works for new products. Buying their stuff second hand doesn't affect the revenue of the affected company.

SAI & RR are both privately owned so the people that made those decisions are still in place. Now supposedly they have seen the light & have changed their tune, it's up to people to decided if they believe it or not.

[D-M]

The difference is that the management at S&W that made those decisions (and at Ruger too) are no longer around. Despite the emotional vitriol, the truth is no one harbored ill will towards the machinists or other workerbees at those companies, just the senior mgmt. And when they were gone then it was business as usual. And boycotting a company only works for new products. Buying their stuff second hand doesn't affect the revenue of the affected company.

SAI & RR are both privately owned so the people that made those decisions are still in place. Now supposedly they have seen the light & have changed their tune, it's up to people to decided if they believe it or not.

I think at this point t they'll say anything to salvage their respective brand's value, but it forced Smith to change ownership in the early 00's. I wonder if today's gun buyer, assailed on all sides for so long, has gotten so jaded so as to burn them to the ground today? Seems the vitriol online is particularly nasty, but that doesn't always reflect the "man on the street" opinion.

I don't think anyone who's calling for the heads on pikes are speaking of the regular working joes that make up the lion's share of their workforces. But if they keep going scorched earth on SA and RRA, those hourly ham-and-eggers are exactly who are going to pay the price.

[redteam22003]

I can't even understand half the shiit you guys are talking about.... is there a dumb down version or is this just a bunch of old geezer talking nonsense

[kcheung2]

Back story: A few decades back S&W & Ruger worked with the Clinton admin to develop the assault weapon ban. Not just went along, actively helped. People got mad, boycotted, sales dropped, S&W got sold, CEO fired, new guy slowly regained people's trust. In the case of Ruger, Bill Ruger died & new mgmt changed direction. But the point is people eventually got over their anger, for whichever reason.

Fast forward to earlier this year, Illinois state legislature forwarded a measure that would put extra restrictions on FFLs in the state, with specific exemptions for Springfield Armory & Rock River Arms. It only went forward (not passed, still going through legislative process) because both those companies, via their lobbying arm, withdrew their opposition after they got the exemption. People got mad, boycotted, sales dropped. Post #4 has a link to the story.

So OP is asking when will people group hug and move on for SAI & RRA.

[D-M]

I can't even understand half the shiit you guys are talking about.... is there a dumb down version or is this just a bunch of old geezer talking nonsense

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/04/john-boch/springfield-armory-rock-river-arms-trade-opposition-to-illinois-ffl-licensing-scheme-for-carve-out/

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20000320/the-smith-wesson-sellout

A little late night reading for ya.

[D-M]

Back story: A few decades back S&W & Ruger worked with the Clinton admin to develop the assault weapon ban. Not just went along, actively helped. People got mad, boycotted, sales dropped, S&W got sold, CEO fired, new guy slowly regained people's trust. In the case of Ruger, Bill Ruger died & new mgmt changed direction. But the point is people eventually got over their anger, for whichever reason.

Fast forward to earlier this year, Illinois state legislature forwarded a measure that would put extra restrictions on FFLs in the state, with specific exemptions for Springfield Armory & Rock River Arms. It only went forward (not passed, still going through legislative process) because both those companies, via their lobbying arm, withdrew their opposition after they got the exemption. People got mad, boycotted, sales dropped. Post #4 has a link to the story.

So OP is asking when will people group hug and move on for SAI & RRA.

And I guess what I'm trying to get folks to do, since there's some much venom being sprayed around with regard to this, is to take a look at when it happened before. Realize how very many of you own S&W products today. It's all cyclical, so please, put away the pitchforks and torches, the constant "F*ck Springfield, I hope they go bankrupt" malarkey. Most of you'll be back to buying them soon enough.

[redteam22003]

Back story: A few decades back S&W & Ruger worked with the Clinton admin to develop the assault weapon ban. Not just went along, actively helped. People got mad, boycotted, sales dropped, S&W got sold, CEO fired, new guy slowly regained people's trust. In the case of Ruger, Bill Ruger died & new mgmt changed direction. But the point is people eventually got over their anger, for whichever reason.

Fast forward to earlier this year, Illinois state legislature forwarded a measure that would put extra restrictions on FFLs in the state, with specific exemptions for Springfield Armory & Rock River Arms. It only went forward (not passed, still going through legislative process) because both those companies, via their lobbying arm, withdrew their opposition after they got the exemption. People got mad, boycotted, sales dropped. Post #4 has a link to the story.

So OP is asking when will people group hug and move on for SAI & RRA.

Thanks for the dumbdown verson.

I and many others are not loyal to any brand....if kia makes a better car tomorrow, i will buy that.

the idea that a person is for one brand based upon marketing and/or belief is insane.

Example: some people talk about Playstation4 as if they own stocks within Sony. Same goes for people not working in the Ford or Apple yet they are so sure of the brand....

Anyways....fuuck all gun brands....they dont pay my bill. I buy the guns that i like and only my opinion matters to me.

[smoothy8500]

I got over S&W, Ruger, Fulton Armory, RRA, Springfield, the next door kid, my first girlfriend, etc.....