Source for AR15 pistol grip alternative

[matarlegoate]

I know there are a couple of alternative ar-15 grips, but for the life of me I can't find any of them on any sites. I've seachred through AR15.com forums, and used google.

Anyone know where I might find some CA legal grip alternatives?

Thnx.

[Shane916]

search for monsterman on these forums

http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=146

[wilit]

The Shoeless Ventures grip has an ATF letter of approval, but no DOJ letter.

http://www.fabten.com/whats_new.htm

[Spawn_X]

How well do those work?

I got two receivers that I bought in case DOJ lists, but now that its not going to happen, debating whether I should build them up in a legal config or sell them.

The shoeless ventures ones looks good.

I won't be spraying with these, so really a pistol grip isn't all that big of a feature. Removable mags is what I'm after

[Paul1960]

The Shoeless Ventures grip has an ATF letter of approval, but no DOJ letter.
http://www.fabten.com/whats_new.htm

They're very proud of their work too.

[SemiAutoSam]

The Shoeless Ventures grip has an ATF letter of approval, but no DOJ letter.
http://www.fabten.com/whats_new.htm

On this page they state "California Residents receive DOJ letter of approval"

http://www.fabten.com/faqs.htm

[wilit]

On this page they state "California Residents receive DOJ letter of approval"

http://www.fabten.com/faqs.htm

I think they mean you get the letter in regards to their POS lower reciever, not the grip.

[blkA4alb]

Do NOT use the Fab10 grip!! It has an ATF letter of approval, not a DOJ letter. That grip allows the web of the thumb to go below the top of the trigger and can allow for a pistol style grasp or be construed as a thumbhol stock.

RUN away from this grip and just get a monsterman, SRB, or any of the other alternatives.

[tankerman]

Do NOT use the Fab10 grip!! It has an ATF letter of approval, not a DOJ letter. That grip allows the web of the thumb to go below the top of the trigger and can allow for a pistol style grasp or be construed as a thumbhol stock.

RUN away from this grip and just get a monsterman, SRB, or any of the other alternatives.

Telling people to "run away from it" and go buy another type that is also not DOJ approved sounds like a bad idea to me, basically you are giving legal advice on something without having any clue to it's actual legality. Poor judgement. If the MONSTER GRIP and SRB are acceptable please post the DOJ letter, otherwise I would suggest keeping this particular opinion to yourself. Please calm down.

[nosewitdot]

the SRB and monsterman don't have a letter because they don't need one. The law states "pistol style grip." And imagine holding a monsterman grip and a SRB...they don't allow pistol style grip. and if you think it does...what kind of pistols are you using? because id like to see a pic =P

[tankerman]

the SRB and monsterman don't have a letter because they don't need one. The law states "pistol style grip." And imagine holding a monsterman grip and a SRB...they don't allow pistol style grip. and if you think it does...what kind of pistols are you using? because id like to see a pic =P

Show me a (modern)pistol that you hold like a FAB 10 grip(please do not post pics of 300 year old hand cannons), please include pictures. And no pointing the barrel at your feet.
If it's totally legal than why not have it Ca. approved? Thats what the makers of fixed mag lowers did. The grip has legal ramifications why should anyone in their right mind take someone elses word?

[Hopi]

the SRB and monsterman don't have a letter because they don't need one. The law states "pistol style grip." And imagine holding a monsterman grip and a SRB...they don't allow pistol style grip. and if you think it does...what kind of pistols are you using? because id like to see a pic =P

The issue isn't necesarily that you can grasp with a "pistol style grip", the issue is where the web of the hand is in relation to the top of the trigger. If the web of the hand is above the top of the trigger, you can "pistol grip it" all day long.

[blkA4alb]

Telling people to "run away from it" and go buy another type that is also not DOJ approved sounds like a bad idea to me, basically you are giving legal advice on something without having any clue to it's actual legality. Poor judgement. If the MONSTER GRIP and SRB are acceptable please post the DOJ letter, otherwise I would suggest keeping this particular opinion to yourself. Please calm down.

The fact that the Fab10 grip allows the thumb to be positioned below the level of the exposed trigger and that you can actually grip it. I mean wrap your fingers around it and wrap your thumb over it, all lead it to be something much more risky than the SRB. Don't even try to compare the SRB and that thing.

Why can't I show you a letter if the SRB is so legal? Maybe because our wonderful DOJ would never approve a grip alternative or fixed mag kit. They would much rather just say, well one of the 58 DAs could choose...yadayada.

How is the monsterman grip different than that? Because the thumb never wraps around the grip. If the thumb doesn't wrap around it can't fall below the level of the exposed trigger like on the Fab10 grip. So your right, excuse me for trying to help some people stay out of possible trouble. We should all stop analyzing these grip alternatives since we're not lawyers.

Also theres really no need to tell me to calm down, I capitalized "not" to add emphasis, not to imply that I was angry or yelling. Besides, read my sig .

[MonsterMan]

I talked to I**Y about my designs and he told me that the doj would not give me thier opinion. He told me that it was a protruding grip. I said that it did not allow for a "pistol style grasp". He then told me that it was up to the 58 DA's and they (doj) were not giving legal advise. Considering that they supposedly gave approval of the "tumor grip". In function, my grip is very similar to the tumor grip. I think at this point, they do not want to give thier blessing on any device that would let people use these rifles legally. They want to stop these rifles coming into the state.

So now that we know that they are not going to give blessings on these devices, we need to read the law, understand it, and use what we feel comfortable with. The law says what it says and if the device meets the requirements for the law than there should be no problem. If it does not meet the law than stay away.

The Fab10 grip should probably be legal, but since the doj is trying so hard to go after these guns, we should not use it as there is some debate as to if is ok or not. Since you can hold it with a "pistol style grasp" with the web under the top expose part of the trigger, it could fall under the definition of a pistol grip. In there question and comment period back when they were defining these terms, someone commented that if you were to put a dowel protruding down from a mini-14 in the place of a pistol grip, would that be concidered a "pistol grip"? The doj replied saying that it was not a pistol grip. It had to be a actual "grip" by traditional standards. A dowel was not a "grip". In that logic, the Fab10 grip should be ok, but again, I would not use it because you can hold it in the same style as a regular pistol grip.

My grip does not allow a "pistol style grasp". When used with a A2 stock, it is essentially the same as a standard rifle stock.

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I expect the doj to come out against my grip in the future. People are using it with detachable mags. If they continue to go through with the regulation change concerning fixed mag rifles, they will force everyone to go with no features and detachable mags. Funny that they are in a sense doing away with all the fixed mag rifles and turning them into detachable mag rifles. You would think it would be the other way around.

MM

[blkA4alb]

I expect the doj to come out against my grip in the future. People are using it with detachable mags. If they continue to go through with the regulation change concerning fixed mag rifles, they will force everyone to go with no features and detachable mags. Funny that they are in a sense doing away with all the fixed mag rifles and turning them into detachable mag rifles. You would think it would be the other way around.

MM

Not without a expecting a lawsuit, as I've said many times before, they cannot force me to change my presently legal rifle. But thats not what we're talking about here.

You posted a minute after me, glad we agree.. .