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  • ProtectThe2nd
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    • Mar 2016
    • 1225

    How do you decock a hammer fired CZ 75 TS with a safety?

    How do you decock a hammer fired SA Like the CZ 75 TS equipped with a safety...no decocker.

    It's my understanding according to the manual that a CZ 75 TS can't have its safety engaged unless the hammer is cocked...so...would you lower the hammer to the safety notch or all the way to the firing pin?

    The trigger will release the hammer from the safety notch but supposedly with not enough force to discharge a round

    From the manual...
    "Safety Stop on the Hammer
    A half-cock safety notch is on the hammer so as to prevent it from striking the firing pin when the hammer is manually cocked, and a thumb could slip. When the hammer is on the safety stop, it is not leaning against the firing pin stop, but its position is further back."

    And

    "Engage the pistol's safety only when the hammer is in its rear position, that is to say - cocked.
    Due to the special adjustment of the trigger mechanism it is possible to rotate the safety to a "SAFE" position, even when the hammer is on the safety notch, or leaning against the firing pin stop. However, it is not recommended that the safety be engaged while in this state, because forced cocking of the hammer could damage the trigger mechanism."

    So it seems there are 4 options...

    1: hammer cocked to the rear/safety engaged

    2: from a hammer cocked position, place thumb between hammer and firing pin, pull trigger and release, lowering hammer with a thumb roll to the safety stop

    3: from a hammer cocked position, place thumb between hammer and firing pin, pull trigger while lowering hammer with a thumb roll to the firing pin

    4: remove the magazine and unload the chamber

    Assuming you want the pistol to remain loaded with one in the chamber, which of the three ways above do you prefer and why (competition rules DO NOT APPLY To my question)
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    elSquid
    In Memoriam
    • Aug 2007
    • 11844

    Originally posted by ProtectThe2nd
    How do you decock a hammer fired SA Like the CZ 75 TS equipped with a safety...no decocker.
    Very carefully.

    I'd prefer cocked and locked for such a pistol.

    Then condition 3.

    If I had to decock it, I'd want to be off the trigger as soon as is possible ( firing pin safety ) and I'd like something blocking free hammer fall after the sear releases the hammer, just in case the hammer slips free.

    Pencil eraser, rubber band?

    But cocked and locked is preferred...or get a gun with a decocker.

    -- Michael

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    • #3
      Quiet
      retired Goon
      • Mar 2007
      • 30242

      The Ceska Zbrojovka CZ75 Tactical Sport is a SAO pistol.

      It's designed to be cocked and locked like a 1911. (safest way to carry it loaded)

      In order to safely carry it, it should be in condition 1 or condition 3.

      Condition 1 = loaded magazine, loaded chamber, hammer back, safety on
      Condition 2 = loaded magazine, loaded chamber, hammer down, safety off
      Condition 3 = loaded magazine, unloaded chamber, hammer down, safety off
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        prod39
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 954

        Tactical Sports are built for "cocked and Locked" ! There is no firing pin block, to my knowledge.
        Why would you want to lower a hammer/firing pin on a live round ?

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        • #5
          dk94044
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2010
          • 915

          Your other pinky finger blocking hammer and lowered slowly

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          • #6
            CouchOperator
            Veteran Member
            • May 2016
            • 4353

            Why? I guess if you absolutely had to, putting your pocket knife blade against the back of the slide and pressing the trigger would be one way, but i dont recommend it...

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            • #7
              ProtectThe2nd
              In Memoriam
              • Mar 2016
              • 1225

              Originally posted by CouchOperator
              Why?
              No other reason other than it seemed like an interesting thread to start...hey, you replied...in your typical fashion

              To others:
              When I carry, it's condition 3...1911 style, but my holster has an airborne type strap which I fit between the Hammer and Firing pin
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                CouchOperator
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                • May 2016
                • 4353

                So you plan on having the time to cock the hammer one handed in a defensive shoot, correct?

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                  ProtectThe2nd
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                  • Mar 2016
                  • 1225

                  Originally posted by prod39
                  Tactical Sports are built for "cocked and Locked" ! There is no firing pin block, to my knowledge.
                  Correct, the TS has no firing pin block

                  The interesting part, is the hammer safety notch...a position where the hammer is lowered but not against the firing pin.

                  It can still be released by the trigger in this position but alledegely without enough force to fire a round

                  Problem is safety cannot be engaged in this condition without damaging trigger
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                  • #10
                    ProtectThe2nd
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                    • Mar 2016
                    • 1225

                    Originally posted by CouchOperator
                    So you plan on having the time to cock the hammer one handed in a defensive shoot, correct?
                    Dude...the TS is a competition pistol
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                    • #11
                      CouchOperator
                      Veteran Member
                      • May 2016
                      • 4353

                      Originally posted by ProtectThe2nd
                      Dude...the TS is a competition pistol
                      Ah gotcha, misread your previous comment about carrying condition 3. I assumed it was for the gun in question. Carry on.

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                        ProtectThe2nd
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                        • Mar 2016
                        • 1225

                        Originally posted by CouchOperator
                        Ah gotcha, misread your previous comment about carrying condition 3. I assumed it was for the gun in question. Carry on.
                        you should read the opening post in its entirety instead of mostly dragging threads in directions you like to argue about

                        Carrying condition 3 is NOT unique to self defense carry
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                        • #13
                          ProtectThe2nd
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                          • Mar 2016
                          • 1225

                          Originally posted by CouchOperator
                          So you plan on having the time to cock the hammer one handed in a defensive shoot, correct?
                          To answer this question for the record

                          The time it takes to thumb the safety off
                          Vs
                          The time it takes to re-cock the hammer with the strong hand thumb

                          Is...in my experience with this pistol...a tie, and re-cocking might be a scooth faster because the strong hand thumb can acquire the hammer before the safety becomes exposed on a draw (more dangerous though)
                          Last edited by ProtectThe2nd; 04-05-2017, 6:59 AM.
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                            prod39
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 954

                            It is possible to get a " rocker" type safety from CZ Custom; down in back for Safe and down in front for fire !
                            ( What I use for competition. )

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                            • #15
                              metalman4051
                              Member
                              • Oct 2013
                              • 186

                              Originally posted by ProtectThe2nd
                              To answer this question for the record

                              The time it takes to thumb the safety off
                              Vs
                              The time it takes to re-cock the hammer with the strong hand thumb

                              Is...in my experience with this pistol...a tie, and re-cocking might be a scooth faster because the strong hand thumb can acquire the hammer before the safety becomes exposed on a draw (more dangerous though)
                              I'd like to clarify...I believe you are describing carrying Condition 2, not 3. Condition 3 would require racking the slide to chamber a round, would it not?
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