Smart gun discussion

[IVC]

So...for those who bothered to read my original post thoroughly...ASIDE FROM LEGISLATIVE MANDATE CONCERNS, what else ya got?

That happens to be the crux of the problem, so you can't just dismiss it with "aside from..." It would be like trying to have an abortion debate framed as "aside from the baby dying, what else ya got?"

Gun technologies are ever advancing and people are eager to embrace new optical sights or new electronic locks. If it's useful and makes sense, people will buy it.

Now, consider that Belinda Padilla went to Sacramento for a photo op with the anti-gun politicians instead of going to the SHOT show where the *useful* technology is being offered to the public. You can't "aside from" that...

[ElvenSoul]

So what 8f the bullets are stolen?

[IVC]

Still, despite all of this, the one advocate on the other forum believes it is inevitable and only a matter of time for the tech to be developed and pushed onto the market.

It's pretty obvious that he is a lefty. He doesn't mind FORCING his views on others (for our own good, of course), but would retreat into his safe space and call us "mean" if we wanted to force *him* to do things the way we think are best for him...

Tell him that that's why Trump got elected.

[Cokebottle]

So...for those who bothered to read my original post thoroughly...ASIDE FROM LEGISLATIVE MANDATE CONCERNS, what else ya got? For/Against? Cost is a big one agreed. $1800 for a .22? Pffffffffft. I wouldn't even want to carry a $1,000 Kimber just because I know if I ever have to use it, it's got a good chance of getting beat up and confiscated for evidence at least temporarily, and it's harder to replace a $1k gun than a $500 Glock. Let alone an $1,800 sidearm. I can get 4 Glocks for $1,800.

Personally, cost is not a primary concern. If I want a feature (be it technology, a pretty finish, or 1.5" accuracy) I'm willing to pay for it.
My primary concern is reliability and flexibility.

The flexibility for my wife to be able to grab any gun out of the safe and use it.
The flexibility for a companion to take over the fight if I become disabled.
The reliability of the device to function as reliably, and as quickly as a Glock... <2 seconds from reaching for the holster to lead on the target.
The reliability of the device to function after being cleaned and left in the safe for 3 years.

[Cokebottle]

Consumer backlash had hurt quite a few manufacturers in the past. The same goes for gun stores.

And ranges.

We still hear people bashing Oak Tree over their allowing a Smart Gun video to be shot on their property.

[559BearDown]

Smart guns are one of the worst ideas ever imo.

This.

[NorCalAthlete]

That happens to be the crux of the problem, so you can't just dismiss it with "aside from..." It would be like trying to have an abortion debate framed as "aside from the baby dying, what else ya got?"

Gun technologies are ever advancing and people are eager to embrace new optical sights or new electronic locks. If it's useful and makes sense, people will buy it.

Now, consider that Belinda Padilla went to Sacramento for a photo op with the anti-gun politicians instead of going to the SHOT show where the *useful* technology is being offered to the public. You can't "aside from" that...

Believe me I know, but I've made all the same arguments you guys have here.

I'll quote one of his latest posts so you guys and gals have an idea of where we're at over there:

The only real disagreement here is
1) I don't think the tech will necessarily impact reliability to the degree you guys think it will.
2) I don't buy into the immediate fear that we will suddenly see all kinds of laws requiring people buy only those guns, especially when, as one of the people in the video said, The gun companies could (and should) remove them from state markets where laws like that are proposed.
3) There would be a market for these guns, SFPD has shown interest, and I would be interested in one as well. I sincerely doubt I am the only person out there that would want one, even if current gun owners don't like the idea.

Somehow this leads to this much backlash. I'm a calm guy most of the time, but the sheer level of hate I get for just disagreeing with some of you guys pisses me off.

[Cokebottle]

I'll quote one of his latest posts so you guys and gals have an idea of where we're at over there:

The only real disagreement here is
1) I don't think the tech will necessarily impact reliability to the degree you guys think it will.
2) I don't buy into the immediate fear that we will suddenly see all kinds of laws requiring people buy only those guns, especially when, as one of the people in the video said, The gun companies could (and should) remove them from state markets where laws like that are proposed.
3) There would be a market for these guns, SFPD has shown interest, and I would be interested in one as well. I sincerely doubt I am the only person out there that would want one, even if current gun owners don't like the idea.

Somehow this leads to this much backlash. I'm a calm guy most of the time, but the sheer level of hate I get for just disagreeing with some of you guys pisses me off.

#1 - He has no way of knowing until it is developed and combat-tested
#2 - And he lives in California? LOL! Gun companies could and should remove them from those states? How well has that worked out for us for the mag disconnect?

The last comment regarding backlash... maybe that should tell him something.

[NorCalAthlete]

Yeah... we've tried to impart to him that it's not unwarranted backlash, it's because he brushes off all our arguments as fantasy or theoretical even when we link him to "no, this has already actually happened". It's not "just disagreeing", it's trucking on full steam ahead with willful ignorance/dismissal.

[DaveInOroValley]

Smart guns, smart cars, yeah they work flawlessly.

[fawndog]

That guy sounds like a freshly "educated" tadpole trying to prove something. The lack of life experience is evident

I can't think of a situation where a gun in my hands would help a situation more then a knife or a baseball bat

How about if someone threatened you with a gun ya dip5h1te wannabe social engineer

[Inkman]

Every gun thread on there generally turns into the same 4 or 5 people going back and forth endlessly. Much like the political forum. Not worth the time or effort.

Al

[fawndog]

To your question. I would never want a smart-gun.

There is no market for it. SFPD (likely any PD) is not seriously interested in it, aside from appearing to be open to options in the name of "safety". Just look to SF politicians to see why.

Safety by tech ? Smartcars are running lights, crashing, sometimes killing people. The Segway inventor died, by crashing on a Segway. The point is Engineers don't know everything (how many would concede to that ?) so there's always a outside factor that affects these things. Tech also gets hacked as soon as it's available.

Part of the elegance of firearms is the function and reliability of them. Designing a user specific safety seems like a sci-fi wet dream like tractor beams and transporters.

So, I see a solution looking for a problem. A bad solution that the market decided wasn't viable.
Like:
Coors Rocky Mountain Sparkling Water
Sony Betamax
Edsel - Pay more for less reliability (sound familiar?)

ps. Thank you for taking up our fight there, I wont partake since they censored a member ala "letter of the law".

[packnrat]

a gun has no brain, so can never be "smart or dumb".

and any crook will be able to bypass any sort of ring required for said device.
and how about the ada?
as some peoples fingers swell with time of day, what they ate, drink, etc. so a ring wound be dangers to have on.

implanted chip. (aka in your body. mark of the beast and all that) a fail. and easily bypassed.



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[fawndog]

a gun has no brain, so can never be "smart or dumb".

and any crook will be able to bypass any sort of ring required for said device.
and how about the ada?
as some peoples fingers swell with time of day, what they ate, drink, etc. so a ring wound be dangers to have on.

implanted chip. (aka in your body. mark of the beast and all that) a fail. and easily bypassed.



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How hard is it to spoof RFID ?