PPT M92 in CA?

[eric90503]

I know AR AK pistols are in a different class. But can you still PPT these pistols to another person in CA anymore?

[ke6guj]

as long as it is in a non-AW config. is that M92 in a configuration that is exempt from the AW definitions as they exist today?

[eric90503]

as long as it is in a non-AW config. is that M92 in a configuration that is exempt from the AW definitions as they exist today?

To be honest, I've always tried to keep up with the laws since I started shooting 30yrs ago. This last round of laws gave me a headache, especially since the lawmakers haven't figured it out. I'm not sure what the AW definition is currently.

It's the M92 PAP pistols that were selling locally right up to last Dec. It's got a BB, Welded muzzle brake, and a cut mag "sled" in it. I want to gift it to a friend through PPT.

Thanks Jack!

[John Browning]

The BB is no longer good. Can't PPT one in that format.

[Quiet]

To be honest, I've always tried to keep up with the laws since I started shooting 30yrs ago. This last round of laws gave me a headache, especially since the lawmakers haven't figured it out. I'm not sure what the AW definition is currently.

It's the M92 PAP pistols that were selling locally right up to last Dec. It's got a BB, Welded muzzle brake, and a cut mag "sled" in it. I want to gift it to a friend through PPT.

Since semi-auto pistols that accept magazine outside of their pistol grip and with "bullet button" style maglocks are now considered assault weapons [PC 30515(a)(4)(D)], starting 01-01-2017, it is illegal (felony) to advertise them for sale or transfer them while in CA. [PC 30600(a)]

Therefore, in order to be CA legal for transfer...

The semi-auto pistol that accepts magazines outside of it's pistol grip, must be modified so that it operates using a fixed 10 round magazine.
Fixed magazine being a magazine that is contained in the firearm and can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action or is welded/epoxied/riveted into the firearm's magazine well.

Current fixed magazine options for AK style pistols with a stamped receiver...
A. 10 round magazine welded/riveted into the magazine well, this meets the definition of a fixed magazine.
B. The AK MagLatch* with modified 10 round magazine, this would meet the definition of a fixed magazine that can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action.

Current fixed magazine options for AK style pistols with a milled receiver...
A. 10 round magazine welded/riveted into the magazine well, this meets the definition of a fixed magazine.



*AK MagLatch is only considered a "fixed magazine", when it is used with modified AK magazines.
^ AK MagLatch installed and used with an unmodified AK magazine, will cause the firearm to be considered an assault weapon.
^ AK MagLatch installed and no magazine locked in when the firearm is assembled, will cause the firearm to be considered an assault weapon.

[eric90503]

Since semi-auto pistols that accept magazine outside of their pistol grip and with "bullet button" style maglocks are now considered assault weapons [PC 30515(a)(4)(D)], starting 01-01-2017, it is illegal (felony) to advertise them for sale or transfer them while in CA. [PC 30600(a)]

Therefore, in order to be CA legal for transfer...

The semi-auto pistol that accepts magazines outside of it's pistol grip, must be modified so that it operates using a fixed 10 round magazine.
Fixed magazine being a magazine that is contained in the firearm and can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action or is welded/epoxied/riveted into the firearm's magazine well.

Current fixed magazine options for AK style pistols with a stamped receiver...
A. 10 round magazine welded/riveted into the magazine well, this meets the definition of a fixed magazine.
B. The AK MagLatch* with modified 10 round magazine, this would meet the definition of a fixed magazine that can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action.

Current fixed magazine options for AK style pistols with a milled receiver...
A. 10 round magazine welded/riveted into the magazine well, this meets the definition of a fixed magazine.



*AK MagLatch is only considered a "fixed magazine", when it is used with modified AK magazines.
^ AK MagLatch installed and used with an unmodified AK magazine, will cause the firearm to be considered an assault weapon.
^ AK MagLatch installed and no magazine locked in when the firearm is assembled, will cause the firearm to be considered an assault weapon.

Hard copy on that. Thanks Quiet... What a drag.

[geoint]

Soooo glad I sold all mine last year when it was still (relatively) easy. And that was only with 2 FFLs that refused to transfer

[Cal Liberty]

Is this still correct with the new information that was just released the other day?

Well this should be interesting

[CSACANNONEER]

Is this still correct with the new information that was just released the other day?

Well this should be interesting

Yes, as long as it is in a legal, non AW configuration, it can be transferred.

[Cal Liberty]

Would using the plug in the magwell and turning it back to how it was bought as an SSE also work? It took tools from above and below to remove.

Well this should be interesting

[Quiet]

Would using the plug in the magwell and turning it back to how it was bought as an SSE also work? It took tools from above and below to remove.

Well this should be interesting

The 0 round plug/sled/mag needs to be locked into the firearm, in such a way that it meets the current definition of an "fixed magazine".

Therefore, it needs to be fixed so that it can not be removed without diassembling the firearm's action or it needs to be welded/epoxied/riveted into the magazine well.