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**GuyW** · 02-16-2009, 6:27 PM

Originally posted by Alaric

That's

. Sierra Club has no position on gun rights. They are a mainstream conservation organization, not a radical fringe group of tree huggers. There is a difference.

Right.

The Sierra Club encouraged nutcases like Earthfirst! so that the Sierra Club could appear "normal" by comparison.

Its still a biiig-money club populated by tree-huggers and anti-hunting, anti-self-defense nuts.
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**Alaric** · 02-16-2009, 6:45 PM

Originally posted by GuyW

Right.

The Sierra Club encouraged nutcases like Earthfirst! so that the Sierra Club could appear "normal" by comparison.

Its still a biiig-money club populated by tree-huggers and anti-hunting, anti-self-defense nuts.
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That's like saying the Republicans encouraged nutcases like Timothy McVeigh.

Sierra Club has been around for a loooong time and actually does a respectable job distancing itself from whackjobs. It's had a long running internal feud between those who want to take a pro-gun and pro-hunting position and those who don't. Dismissing them all as treehuggers just plays into the hands of the antis who want to claim the prestige of backing from org's like the Sierra Club. It doesn't help us in the gun rights movement one iota.

**7x57** · 02-16-2009, 6:57 PM

Originally posted by Alaric

Sierra Club has been around for a loooong time and actually does a respectable job distancing itself from whackjobs. It's had a long running internal feud between those who want to take a pro-gun and pro-hunting position and those who don't. Dismissing them all as treehuggers just plays into the hands of the antis who want to claim the prestige of backing from org's like the Sierra Club. It doesn't help us in the gun rights movement one iota.

I gave up my SC membership because the Angeles chapter ran a quote in the local rag that was intolerably bigoted toward basically every ancestor my boy has. I pointed this out to the editor and was not satisfied with the response. My money will go to the Angeles chapter about the time Jesse Jackson joins the KKK. Not kidding.

National SC is more conflicting for me. They certainly don't do enough to oppose the animal-rights people, as far as I'm concerned. OTOH they recently started Sierra Sportsmen. At first I figured it was as much a Trojan Horse as AHSA, but I'm not so sure now. They do sponsor events for first-time hunters and shooters, which *is* a win for all of us.

On the gripping hand, I think they were happy to support the lead ammo ban (I need to check into that more).

They tried almost as hard to get me back as the NRA when lapsed (nobody sends quite as much mail as the NRA

), and even called me sometime around the election. I told the guy I was a "Sarah Palin environmentalist," which he laughed at and seemed to get.

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**GuyW** · 02-16-2009, 7:35 PM

Originally posted by Alaric

That's like saying the Republicans encouraged nutcases like Timothy McVeigh.

Sierra Club has been around for a loooong time and actually does a respectable job distancing itself from whackjobs.

Earthfirst! was started by Dave Foreman - a member of the Sierra Club and EarthFirst at the same time.

"From 1995 to 1997, he served on the Sierra Club’s board of directors, but departed after the organisation rejected his proposed policy on restrictive immigration."

So unless you have proof that McVeigh was a registered Republican, your defense is invalid.

Here in San Diego, the Sierra Club proposed and lobbied for closing MORE of Cleveland National Forest to humans. Fortunately, the FS didn't see things their way.

Elitest tree huggers.
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**Alaric** · 02-16-2009, 8:16 PM

The Republican Party has no control who registers to become a member, and neither does the Sierra Club, that's the point.

**chico.cm** · 02-16-2009, 9:00 PM

Someone please post a citation for me that says my CA CCW is no good in a CA State Park. I always do and have seen nothing to state that I can't.

**Alaric** · 02-16-2009, 9:05 PM

Originally posted by chico.cm

Someone please post a citation for me that says my CA CCW is no good in a CA State Park. I always do and have seen nothing to state that I can't.

Ask and ye shall receive: http://www.parks.ca.gov/default.asp?page_id=21300

Illegal except in those areas designated for hunting.

**Alaric** · 02-16-2009, 9:09 PM

Then again, there is this: http://www.calccw.com/Forums/where-c...tate-park.html
...which seems to say you can. Someone remind me, what was the final word on this from past threads? I'm too lazy to look.