Can you put a pistol grip on a SKS in California?

[Rascal]

My rifle was made in China, not USA. I have complied with the swap out of 7 foriegn made parts with USA made parts. The trigger group was USA made.
It is apparent that you're not up with 922r compliance as you can add a Tapco Fusion stock with pistol grip. You just can't count the pistol grip as part of the 922r compliance. I suggest you visit the following link and read up on 922r compliance for SKS's.
http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=50561.0

I'm sorry but you are wrong. Please reread the Gun Control act of 1986.
It specifically states what is considered a foreign made weapon, and 10 or less of the specified parts IS NOT CONSIDERED FOREIGN MADE.
922R ONLY deals with foreign made weapons being imported into or manufactured from foreign made parts in the U.S..
Building a weapon with 10 or less parts from the list is not considered a foreign made weapon.

[Rascal]

The Gun Control Act of 1986 was an attempt to stop people from importing military style weapons in parts to later assemble into whole weapons. It had already stopped the sale of foreign military style weapons by using the "non-sporting" features or "not readily adaptable to sporting purposes".

Complying to 922r is NOT adding U.S. parts to your SKS.
Complying to 922r is taking off all "non-sporting" features from your foreign made weapon. This means NO pistol grip, night sites, bayonet lug, folding or telescoping stocks, high capacity magazine, or grenade launchers.

[bplvr]

Rascal ...I see your point .The law reads 'no more than 10 '
If the gun in question has only 14 0f the 20 named ......
To prove the point ,suppose the gun in question had only 8 of the 20 parts
on the list in it's original configuration.It would be impossible to replace 10 with USA parts .
I wonder what "the powers that be" on CGN would say about this observation.

[joemama]

so for a chinese sks that I bought in 05, I dont have to make 922r compliant? was it already 922r compliant when I bought it? I was under the impression that I would have to replace 10 out of 20 parts on my rifle with us made parts to put my pistol grip/collapsible stock on it. I think I need a bit more clarification on 922r and california law as well.

[Rascal]

Rascal ...I see your point .The law reads 'no more than 10 '
If the gun in question has only 14 0f the 20 named ......
To prove the point ,suppose the gun in question had only 8 of the 20 parts
on the list in it's original configuration.It would be impossible to replace 10 with USA parts .
I wonder what "the powers that be" on CGN would say about this observation.

You don't have to worry about how many U.S. made parts you have unless you want to put "non-sporting" features on you 8 piece gun.
If there are NO "non-sporting" features on your foreign made weapon, then it IS compliant with 922r.

[Rascal]

so for a chinese sks that I bought in 05, I dont have to make 922r compliant? was it already 922r compliant when I bought it? I was under the impression that I would have to replace 10 out of 20 parts on my rifle with us made parts to put my pistol grip/collapsible stock on it. I think I need a bit more clarification on 922r and California law as well.

Joe, If your Chinese SKS doesn't have a pistol grip, bayonet, and bayonet lug, or any other "non-sporting" feature, then it is in compliance with 922r.

If you bought your Chinese SKS before November 30, 1990, then it is grandfathered in and you can keep the bayonet and bayonet lug.

[BroncoBob]

I suggest a look at the following web link that is dedicated to SKS's. According to ATF a Chinese SKS has only 14 parts. ATF is saying that a Chinese SKS only has 14 parts, instead of the 17 parts we imagined. Note that the final list does not include a muzzle attachment, a second disconnector or an operating rod.

http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=27678.0

[joemama]

Does that count as the bayonet lug or is the lug the bolt that holds the bayonet in? Would that have to be ground off in order to put the pistol grip/collapsible stock on?

[BroncoBob]

leave it

[Rascal]

Joe, that is the bayonet lug. You should take it off, but just because you took it off, doesn't mean you can add the pistol grip or collapsible stock. Remember a foreign made weapon can not have non-sporting features and the pistol grip and collapsible stock ARE non-sporting features. You would have to make your Chinese made rifle into a U.S.A. made rifle by having 10 or less foreign made parts from the list of parts that the FEDs made.

Does that count as the bayonet lug or is the lug the bolt that holds the bayonet in? Would that have to be ground off in order to put the pistol grip/collapsible stock on?

[joemama]

well I'm glad I came upon this thread lol. I have been planning on doing the whole 10/20 usa parts deal on this rifle but I didnt know I actually had to grind that off. From what I was told, that is supposed to help hold the cleaning rod in the rifle when it has a bayonet. I have since removed the cleaning rod because its a pain to keep shoving in the rifle when you shoot. I think I'll find a junkier rifle to grind the lug off of, I dont really want to do that to this rifle.

[Rascal]

If you do the 10 or less foreign parts, then you won't have to grind the bayonet lug off, because your Chinese made SKS would now become a U.S.A. made rifle, according to FED law and no longer be subject to 922r interpretation.

[Philthy]

Joe, that is the bayonet lug. You should take it off, but just because you took it off, doesn't mean you can add the pistol grip or collapsible stock. Remember a foreign made weapon can not have non-sporting features and the pistol grip and collapsible stock ARE non-sporting features. You would have to make your Chinese made rifle into a U.S.A. made rifle by having 10 or less foreign made parts from the list of parts that the FEDs made.

Use this checklist to make sure you are 922r compliant:

http://thegunwiki.com/Gunwiki/BuildSKSVerifyCompliance

I think the bayonet lug was in the 1994 AWB, and now that it expired, bayonet lugs are legal, both under CA and Fed law.

[Rascal]

Philthy,
The bayonet lug has nothing to do with the now dead AW law. The bayonet lug has to do with what the FEDs call "non-sporting" features. The following is what the FEDs determined to be non-sporting features of military style weapons the would be non importable.

1. Ability to accept a large capacity magazine

2. Folding/telescoping stocks

3. Separate pistol grips

4. Ability to accept a bayonet (bayonet mount)

5. Flash suppressors

6. Bipods

7. Grenade launchers

8. Night sights


You must remember that what they were trying to do is prevent the importation of military style weapons, and to prevent the importation of kits to be imported into the U.S. and assembled in the U.S. from foreign made parts.


Compliance to 922r means that you don't have any of the above type of parts on your foreign made weapon.


The ten or less foreign made parts IS NOT A COMPLIANCE ISSUE, because 922r IS ONLY FOR FOREIGN MADE WEAPONS, and the FEDs determined that if your rifle had 10 or less foreign made parts from the list that they made, YOUR RIFLE WAS NOT A FOREIGN MADE WEAPON, AND IS NOT SUBJECT TO 922R REGULATIONS.