good small arms that never made it

[dwa]

in your opinion what are some great guns that never made it
ie a hunting rifle or a pistol that was great but never became popular or a military rifle/machine gun/pistol that never was adopted and why you believe them to be great

[grammaton76]

Bushmaster M17S never picked up like it should've. Very solidly built, nice bullpup design, and it takes STANAG mags. I think I'd have preferred one over an FS-2000 actually.

CZ-97B should have been the first of many, many 45ACP pistols from CZ, but it seems to have been the end of the line in 45ACP.

The Armalite AR-180 was an interesting design that never really took off, although I've never gotten to shoot one. Gas piston and plenty of interesting history behind it.

VZ-52 rifle didn't set the world on fire, although it should've. For its era, it was remarkable - detachable mags, a little bit more than 7.62x39mm firepower (x45mm). Gas operated. Really neat design.

[Deadred7o7]

.32 Win Sp. in the old 94'

[CHS]

Marlin Camp 9
Marlin Camp 45
Ruger PC9
Ruger PC4
Ruger Deerslayer? (basically, a .44mag mini-14)
Gyrojet

[Steyr_223]

I agree with the VZ-52 rifle..

I also think the Galil got the shaft since uncle sugar supplied M16s on the cheap to the IDF. The Galil was evolution to the AK design; better sights, folding stock and use of modern polymers..Same with the Valmet 62/76/95

[Dr Rockso]

Johnson 1941 recoil operated rifle. Don't know if it was particularly suited for being a battle rifle, but an interesting design that outperformed the Garand in some areas.

http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl20-e.htm

[ivanimal]

5MM remington Magnum years ahead of its time.

Anything Roy Weatherby was into.

[slowjonn]

French Chauchat!

[CHS]

5MM remington Magnum years ahead of its time.

Someone really needs to do a 5mm Remington Magnum AR upper and mags. Aguila is making the ammo, and it's rimfire so we can have features and drop mags AND go below 30" overall.

[five.five-six]

, and it's rimfire so we can have features and drop mags AND go below 30" overall.

that might have to be an interesting bolt

[CHS]

that might have to be an interesting bolt

Not much different than the existing .22lr conversions. Just a little bigger.

The AR57 upper would be a good conversion candidate since it's just a delayed blowback action and uses a cartridge more powerful, but similar to a 5mm remington mag. And again, since it's rimfire we can pretty much ignore the AW laws while staying inside federal legal limits.

[ivanimal]

5MM, 17 HMR, 22 Magnum, 22 lr short, and blank




22, old 5MM, new 5mm and 223

[ysr_racer]

New 5mm? Are they making ammo again?

[caldude]

FN49 - The design was done pre-WWII, but the designers had to evacuate Belgium because of the German invasion. If the British (or someone else) had picked up the design, they would have had a battle rifle that could have rivaled the Garand.

Once the gun was produced post-WWII, semi-auto rifle designs were already on their way out.

[Crusader]

The Spencer Rifle. It was, in my opinion, much more effective than the Sharps and the Henry. It had a self-contained cartridge that beat out the Sharps, but was more convenient to load than the Henry. It should have and could have been the Union's main battle rifle during the Civil War.