Rifle magazine definition

[ColdDeadHands1]

What if an AR lower were machined with a completely sealed ammunition storage well that held 20, 30, or 100 rounds. The well would be would be non-detachable and non-openable. Is this considered a "magazine" subject to 10 round limit laws?

[matt_b]

magazine is defined as a feeding device. If it doesn't feed it after every shot. Then you could put as many rounds in it as possible.

Don't know why you would.
If the idea is to flip the rifle upside down and let gravity do its course, the sad reality of what loose 223 rounds do will make it jam city. They would bind up, get crushed by the BCG, etc etc.

[ColdDeadHands1]

The intent of my hypothetical lower receiver is that it would feed ammunition into the chamber.

[rivraton]

10 round limit applies to your hypothetical lower receiver... only exception to 10 round limit is tubular magazine in very limited application...

[omarsalah78]

magazine is defined as a feeding device. If it doesn't feed it after every shot. Then you could put as many rounds in it as possible.

Don't know why you would.
If the idea is to flip the rifle upside down and let gravity do its course, the sad reality of what loose 223 rounds do will make it jam city. They would bind up, get crushed by the BCG, etc etc.

Well not really if you can design a system that runs off the gas tube you could hypothetically , so long as not spring assisted or feeding, have a huge gravity fed mag that is timed with the bcg to accept 1 round to drop in after cycling and stop anymore from falling in ... but now we are talking fabrication and design

[CandG]

As I mentioned when you asked in the other thread, you can call it an "ammunition storage well" or a "donkey doohickey" for all it matters, the fact is if it holds ammunition in a position from where it gets fed into battery, whether or not it has spring tension, it's a magazine. And if it's larger than 10rds, then it's a large capacity magazine, unless it happens to be tubular and rimfire. The PC doesn't have any exemptions for magazines (sorry, "ammunition wells") that are a permanent part of the receiver, otherwise we'd all be running JBwelded top-loader 100rd drum magazines. For PC citations see my post in the other thread.

Also note that, aside from running into infraction/misdemeanor LCM law issues, you'd also be manufacturing an AW, by making the "ammunition storage well" more than 10rds, even if the rifle is featureless.

[MudCamper]

If it feeds ammunition into the chamber, it's a magazine.

Fixed or internal magazines over 10 rounds in a semi-auto centerfire rifle make said rifle an AW under CA law.

You are not on to anything here.

[Mitch]

If it feeds ammunition into the chamber, it's a magazine.

Fixed or internal magazines over 10 rounds in a semi-auto centerfire rifle make said rifle an AW under CA law.

You are not on to anything here.

Ten round limit as others have said. I think what you are describing is at right in the photo:

[MudCamper]

The new device from Mean Arms is just a fancy stripper clip. Now they should make that thing hold 100 rounds. That would still be legal.