Bad Shoot - Man Faces Manslaughter Charges

[dwalker]

Stop. You clearly don't understand the law.

Maybe you ought to realize how trully effed up CA is and stop applying your pisswater laws to the rest of the world.

So many of you guys just months ago said this guy was going down, bad shoot, blah blah blah. Well you dont know jack, but you keep insisting that criminals in the commission of a crime somehow have rights, They do not.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/colorado-man-shoots-kills-alleged-robber-who-responded-to-craigslist-ad/

Then, as I predicted, sure at pigeon poop, NO CHARGES. Thats right. NONE.

http://www.westword.com/news/anthony-mott-not-charged-for-killing-robber-who-responded-to-craigslist-ad-7543624

So suck it up buttercup and understand that legally the only thing that matters is the threat as perceived by the person doing the shooting, and you aint him.

[calif 15-22]

So suck it up buttercup and understand that legally the only thing that matters is the threat as perceived by the person doing the shooting, and you aint him.

You are correct but let me ask this. Did this guy (the guy that shot at the car) actually fear for his life? You don't know? I don't know either?

I can only speculate as can you. I speculate he was startled and he fired at the retreating car in reflex OR because he just wanted to or he was in fear of his life Only he knows.

Sometimes I think many here really look forward to using the guns.

I hope mine rust to dust inside my safe never having to be used to defend myself or my family. (I'm going to suggest this be the new Snowflake montra)

[dwalker]

You are correct but let me ask this. Did this guy (the guy that shot at the car) actually fear for his life? You don't know? I don't know either?

He felt threatened enough to pull the trigger. At least two intruders were on his deck. Your trying to tell me you would what, shout "I have a gun" and when they run away call the cops? What happens when they double back on you and beat you to death with the baseball bats they pulled out of the car?

I can only speculate as can you. I speculate he was startled and he fired at the retreating car in reflex OR because he just wanted to. Only he knows.

Reflex because he was in felt endangered? Probably. What I do know is he found at least two intruders on his deck where they had to climb up to get to and were obviously up to no good. It is NOT like they just walked up the drive to the front door to sell Bibles. Up to no good= threat in my book, and probably his.

Sometimes I think many here really look forward to using the guns.

I hope mine rust to dust inside my safe never having to be used to defend myself or my family. (I'm going to suggest this be the new Snowflake montra)

Sometimes I think that people need to stand up for whats right before throwing a homeowner, who was probably fast asleep, under the bus because he shot a criminal. When you are breaking the law, you have no rights. You have no right to expect not to get shot in the face when you sneak up on a mans deck in the middle of the night with the intent to rob him. Everything else is just crap.

[r739]

Parking lot pop off....

[calif 15-22]

Sometimes I think that people need to stand up for whats right before throwing a homeowner, who was probably fast asleep, under the bus because he shot a criminal. When you are breaking the law, you have no rights. You have no right to expect not to get shot in the face when you sneak up on a mans deck in the middle of the night with the intent to rob him. Everything else is just crap.

I don't think anyone is throwing the homeowner under the bus. The fact remains the guy will be charged and have to go through a trial spend thousands of dollars to defend himself and if convicted will do time and could loose his gun rights. That is independent of what we think is right or wrong.

For me I use these threads and these events to try to better understand what I "might" do if faced with the same events. In my head I know i would not fire at a retreating or fleeing intruder outside of my home. I will gather my sheep and baracade inside and call 911. If they come back and break into the house with "baseball bats or guns" then all bets are off and I defend my home and family relentlessly.

This is CA and for better or worse we will be judged by a jury of our peers. Those peers are from the liberal cess pool we call CA. So when you think you are going to get a jury who gives you a wink and secret "high five" from the jury box, you are kidding yourself.

[Calguns77]

Its not reasonable. But I do not care. I may even fly out to this guys trial and pass out information on jury nullification in hopes of poisoning the jury pool. These theives are a few degress from being slave master's. Hyperbole?

What do you call a person that robs you of the of the mean of exchange traded for your life? They are in fact making you work so the expression of your sweat and tears becomes therees.

This man could have curb stomped the theives on video and I would vote not guilty.

That's why we weed people out during jury selection.

Maybe you ought to realize how trully effed up CA is and stop applying your pisswater laws to the rest of the world.

So many of you guys just months ago said this guy was going down, bad shoot, blah blah blah. Well you dont know jack, but you keep insisting that criminals in the commission of a crime somehow have rights, They do not.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/colorado-man-shoots-kills-alleged-robber-who-responded-to-craigslist-ad/

Then, as I predicted, sure at pigeon poop, NO CHARGES. Thats right. NONE.

http://www.westword.com/news/anthony-mott-not-charged-for-killing-robber-who-responded-to-craigslist-ad-7543624

So suck it up buttercup and understand that legally the only thing that matters is the threat as perceived by the person doing the shooting, and you aint him.

Maybe you ought to realize how trully effed up CA is and stop applying your pisswater laws to the rest of the world.

You live in a fantasy world if you think you won't end up in prison for shooting unarmed men who are fleeing. They didn't even have stolen property so you couldn't shoot them even in Texas.

So suck it up buttercup and understand that legally the only thing that matters is the threat as perceived by the person doing the shooting, and you aint him

Back here in reality, the prsions are full of people who killed others because they perceived a threat that wasn't there. And your perceptions are certainly not the only thing that matters to LE, DA or Jury.

You are correct

No. He really isn't.

[dwalker]

This is CA and for better or worse we will be judged by a jury of our peers. Those peers are from the liberal cess pool we call CA. So when you think you are going to get a jury who gives you a wink and secret "high five" from the jury box, you are kidding yourself.

Well, I agree with you on that, which is why i spend as little time as possible in occupied territory.

[CandG]

Do I feel bad for the "victims"? No.

Was it a bad shoot according to the law? Sure does seem so.

There's a small chance, in that state, that he may get away with just house arrest or maybe a year or two in jail. But he's lucky he's not in CA or NY.

At any rate, he should've known better. Very stupid decision.

[Calguns77]

He felt threatened enough to pull the trigger. At least two intruders were on his deck. Your trying to tell me you would what, shout "I have a gun" and when they run away call the cops? What happens when they double back on you and beat you to death with the baseball bats they pulled out of the car?

Reflex because he was in felt endangered? Probably. What I do know is he found at least two intruders on his deck where they had to climb up to get to and were obviously up to no good. It is NOT like they just walked up the drive to the front door to sell Bibles. Up to no good= threat in my book, and probably his.

Sometimes I think that people need to stand up for whats right before throwing a homeowner, who was probably fast asleep, under the bus because he shot a criminal. When you are breaking the law, you have no rights. You have no right to expect not to get shot in the face when you sneak up on a mans deck in the middle of the night with the intent to rob him. Everything else is just crap.

At least two intruders were on his deck. Your trying to tell me you would what, shout "I have a gun" and when they run away call the cops?

Considering they fled simply because he confronted them, it sure seems like a good plan. This may shock you but if he had done this he wouldn't be in jail facing a manslaughter charge right now.

What happens when they double back on you and beat you to death with the baseball bats they pulled out of the car?

This fear is not reasonable.

Up to no good= threat in my book, and probably his

.

This is not reality.

When you are breaking the law, you have no rights.

Right, be sure to tell the police that after you shoot a kid for loitering in front of your house, up to no good. As long as you perceived him as a threat im sure you'll be fine.

[dr1doom]

Its a good shoot in my book. One of the burglars name was cornelius? Tells me all I need to know. They were not at his house to sell boyscout cookies. They admitted what they were there for. The DA is a POS and I hope he gets what karma has in store for him.

LOL

[calif 15-22]

Its a good shoot in my book. One of the burglars name was cornelius? Tells me all I need to know. They were not at his house to sell boyscout cookies. They admitted what they were there for. The DA is a POS and I hope he gets what karma has in store for him.

LOL

Calguns is beginning to embarrass me . . .

[dwalker]

That's why we weed people out during jury selection.






You live in a fantasy world if you think you won't end up in prison for shooting unarmed men who are fleeing. They didn't even have stolen property so you couldn't shoot them even in Texas.



Back here in reality, the prsions are full of people who killed others because they perceived a threat that wasn't there. And your perceptions are certainly not the only thing that matters to LE, DA or Jury.




No. He really isn't.

You were probably one of those who said the same thing about the fellow in the article I posted above, and you were wrong then too. How bout you pull that bus over on the Pretentiousness Turnpike and start actually reading before commenting.

[ChuckDizzle]

Maybe you ought to realize how trully effed up CA is and stop applying your pisswater laws to the rest of the world.

So many of you guys just months ago said this guy was going down, bad shoot, blah blah blah. Well you dont know jack, but you keep insisting that criminals in the commission of a crime somehow have rights, They do not.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/colorado-man-shoots-kills-alleged-robber-who-responded-to-craigslist-ad/

Then, as I predicted, sure at pigeon poop, NO CHARGES. Thats right. NONE.

http://www.westword.com/news/anthony-mott-not-charged-for-killing-robber-who-responded-to-craigslist-ad-7543624

So suck it up buttercup and understand that legally the only thing that matters is the threat as perceived by the person doing the shooting, and you aint him.

The law you are failing to understand is rooted in English common law going back centuries. It doesn't matter where you live, the justification for the killing of another human being is fairly uniform across the US as it is based off the Model Penal Code.

Please leave the legal analysis to the experts. Have a nice day.

[Calguns77]

You were probably one of those who said the same thing about the fellow in the article I posted above, and you were wrong then too. How bout you pull that bus over on the Pretentiousness Turnpike and start actually reading before commenting.

You were probably one of those who said the same thing about the fellow in the article I posted above, and you were wrong then too

No. I didnt even click on the link.

and start actually reading before commenting

You need to take your own advice and educate yourself on self defense laws. For your own good please consider reading Deadly Force by Massad Ayoob. It won't make you a legal expert in armed self defense and im not pretending to be one either, but you are very wrong.

[dwalker]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1157991

there is the thread, and as I said then, NO CHARGES.

So maybe you ought to do some reading there tough guy, and stop lecturing people.