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First off, that gun should already be in your bound book. Every C&R gun that you acquire while you are licensed MUST be entered into your bound book. It does not matter where it comes from. If it's already in your book, just log it out to the receiving FFL. You'll need his FFL info, and you'll need to send them yours. If it's not in your book, I'm not sure how to legally fix it. Post a question in the C&R forum.

Now, you were right not to ship directly to the buyer. Since his FFL already said they won't accept from an individual, I would verify that they will accept from an FFL 03 before just shipping it. Since an 03 is not a dealer, some 01's will still consider us as individuals. If his FFL still won't accept it, see if there is another that he is willing to use. Otherwise, you'll have to ship from an FFL.

[Cokebottle]

This man claims that because he's a CCW holder in Florida that I can have the gun shipped directly to him.

AFAIK, the Florida CCW provides an exemption for their waiting period (I think it's 3 days?) and the NICS background check.

I call BS...I was under the assumption that CCW is state issued whereas an FFL is federally issued. And unless it's a 100+ year old collectible, it has to go to a FFL no matter what.

You are (mostly) correct. It's not 100+ y/o, it's made prior to 1899. It's a fixed date and not rolling like the 50+ thing does.
But yes, an FFL in the buyer's state is required to receive the gun from out of state whether C&R or not.

[1911su16b870]

It would be nice to have a 03FFL transfer/receiving FAQ in that forum section here on CG.

[Cokebottle]

It would be nice to have a 03FFL transfer/receiving FAQ in that forum section here on CG.

It would be complex... a flowchart would be ideal, but it would be extremely complex with all of the "What do you want to do" options.

Then tossing state law in on top of federal law... an 03 in AZ can have a C&R handgun shipped to his door, but an 03 in California still needs to PPT at an 01.

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[Cokebottle]

I was under the impression that since I filed a DROS worksheet with a FFL01 that I didn't need to log this into my book. The firearm didn't come directly to me and my FFL wasn't used in the purchase of the firearm. I can see if a SKS for example, was shipped directly to my doorstep...that I would log, but this gun was shipped to my FFL01, where I prepared a DROS worksheet, paid the fees, and then took ownership of the gun. There is record of the transfer at his shop...why would I need to log it in if my FFL wasn't used in the transaction?

The way to look at it... You don't *use* your FFL, you *are* the FFL.
You are a licensed person and any C&R firearm that passes into or out of your collection during the time that you are licensed must by logged.

You do not need to log your existing collection unless you sell something, then the disposition must be logged.

Many 03's with larger collections allow their license to expire every few cycles. This allows them to destroy their bound book and start clean.
It also reduces the number of guns that they need to take to an ATF audit if they are called in.

Having an 03 can be a pain, and there is little benefit if you don't regularly travel out of state to buy C&R guns.
The only reason I have an 03 is because with the COE, it is an exemption from the online ammo restrictions originally passed in AB962 and now on Prop63.

I have an email out to his FFL now. Waiting to hear back. My question is, can I log it into my book as an outbound transfer, if there's no record in my book for that firearm as an inbound transfer? Or, should I go back to the FFL that has that paperwork on file and have them mail it out for me instead?

If you have the DROS paperwork from when you bought it, log it into your book now using the actual purchase date, then log the disposition when you ship it out. The FFL that you made the purchase from would not be involved.

IF the Florida FFL does not accept a shipment from an 03, then you will need to use an FFL to ship it out. In that case, I would log it out to the shipping FFL, not the buyer.

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[SVT-40]

I was under the impression that since I filed a DROS worksheet with a FFL01 that I didn't need to log this into my book. The firearm didn't come directly to me and my FFL wasn't used in the purchase of the firearm. I can see if a SKS for example, was shipped directly to my doorstep...that I would log, but this gun was shipped to my FFL01, where I prepared a DROS worksheet, paid the fees, and then took ownership of the gun. There is record of the transfer at his shop...why would I need to log it in if my FFL wasn't used in the transaction?

You don't "use" your license... You ARE licensed...

EVERY C&R firearm you ACQUIRE while you are licensed by law MUST be entered in your bound book.. PERIOD no exceptions.

It doesn't matter if you buy it from a dealer, get it for free, have it willed to you, or if it drops out of the sky...

IT MUST be entered in your bound book.


If you have a C&R firearm which you owner BEFORE you obtained your C&R license you do not need to enter it in your book...However if you sell that firearm, before you ship it you must enter in in your book, as coming from your personal collection, then log it out to who ever you sold it to...

I have an email out to his FFL now. Waiting to hear back. My question is, can I log it into my book as an outbound transfer, if there's no record in my book for that firearm as an inbound transfer? Or, should I go back to the FFL that has that paperwork on file and have them mail it out for me instead?

See above..

You need to enter it in your book, regardless of what you do...

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